Guys: as most of us have realized in the past week or two, there is a growing problem and debate within our mapping community. We are faced with the releases of maps such as para_iceworld2, and dod_awp_map.

I myself clearly spoke against these releases. It WAS my opinion that they had no place in our community. I still believe, though, that these maps as currently released hurt the community because they often gain instant popularity, but theres very little work put into them. A certain release didn't even compile with lighting (whether or not it was a joke thread).

But I've realized that the arguing and ensuing flaming that these threads bring aren't the way to adress the problem. After some thought, and then consulting with xerent, I've realized we need to accept these maps, just bring up the skill level involved in making them. We want the maps that get played alot to meet a certain standard of the skill, hard work, and quality that was put into them. And so, rather than complaining, I'm here to present mappers with this idea.

Why don't we just regulate this kind of map, by making maps of the same sort and style, small, one area and very vicious, but with a higher quality, in looks and construction. We get real and talented mappers to spend an hour or two, and make one of these maps that actually meets the standards we look for in these forums.

And so, we should release a mappack of these maps. Make one of these maps, put effort into it, and submit it to me.

Rules:
-Relatively contained, 1 area and maybe afew small routes.
-Good graphical qualities
-Designed with lan gameplay in mind as these are most popular on lan games
-Good gameplay of this style

Submissions:
-Cutoff date is Midnight, Eastern Time, July 5th
-E-mail file or url to nrwirth@attbi.com along with a description and your nickname on the boards
-In addition, post the name, description, at least one picture of your submission in this thread.

As a warning, a mapper probably won't get more than 2 maps into the pack in order to be fair. 12 maps will be accepted.

Xerent will be our primary host, but we will accept others, if you're interested e-mail me.

And for those who would seek to merely flame again for either side, I ask you, what have you done to solve the problem other than complaining? This is not the thread for it.

Good luck to all mappers.

I'd like to take this oppertunity to present my apologies to Lister and Whiskas for handling this issue poorly.

This is a way for the two of you to make your maps more visually attractive and included in a map pack. I'd hate to see this mappack be released without iceworld etc.

I'm collaborating with Jackhammer to make a more beautiful version of dod_kar_map that will include some sniper towers too. I also have a kar_map with dust textures done and ready, which I will retexture and rework so it looks decent enough sooner or later.

I'd also like to say that if you have nothing positive to post, don't post it. I know I did post some negative posts, and it was wrong of me.

Good luck and happy mapping! :)

Nice idea.... i think.. but if I read it right you want ppl to make MORE maps like those?

(btw I know im not a good mapper yet with 0 releases to date :P but if you're short on ppl to try and improve the map I'd like to give it a try and see if I can make it better)

Also, some of you may or may not remember the "United Project". Well, I have a rmf of a plaza from the project, perfect size for this kind of map. As I'm judging the submissions, it wouldn't be fair for me to polish it off and submit it, but I will send the file to anyone interested. Its of a good quality and I think would be very fun in this style.

Nice idea.... i think.. but if I read it right you want ppl to make MORE maps like those?

No, I just want to have good mappers of the community to make some of these maps. By doing so, we figuratively up the bar so that maps of this style that look like crap will no longer be played.

Also, I'd like to specify this a bit more:

When I say maps of this style, it doesn't have to be 4 blocks like iceworld. We're just looking for maps of a small size and constant action. They can have objectives, be para, whatever. For example, take The Last Patrol Episode from BoB. Condense it a little, but there's a river, its at night, one team has to get across the river and infiltrate a house, theres some houses and open space on either side, one big area mainly. Thats a good lan map, it would have a lot of action. It doesn't however have to be a big open space with crates and a lot of guns lying all over the ground.

remember dod_coffee :D

that was a fun open lan map...

would my map be a candidate for this pack? (check my thread http://www.dayofdefeat.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=8868) I believe I could have it ready for release by the 5th.

Sure, I don't see why not :)

I like the idea. I to am a new mapper. Never released anything yet cause im still learning and dont want to release tiny maps. I want to get the hang of this and release a larger scaled map and hope to god its big, beautiful and sexy enough to play like caen, ect...

I know it takes allot of work. Im learning that fast. I just want to make sure i have some good work out there and can become one of you well known mappers..

nothing wrong with having some small sized maps of good graphical quality. maybe i'll bang one out...though i gotta finish my current project...

dod_isernia is a fun, intense little map.

How bout an open field as a small map? Maybe insert hills, craters, tanks for variation?

Black Op, search for dod_frad3, thats the kinda map your lookin for. :D

This package idea is excellent. We can have creativity and quality. That's all we want. This idea is very constructive.
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phokus, check your PM.

Originally posted by phokus
Black Op, search for dod_frad3, thats the kinda map your lookin for. :D

Oh yeah, I think I have it myself. I'll go check that out.:cool:

LATER: Now I remember, I played this on KK a few days ago. I liked being a MG on that map. I also liked Hill (my all-time fav. map). I usually was a sniper or using that cannon blowing up Allies at will. Tis a shame NC17 didn't put that cannon in hill_classic and replaced it with a motar.

I think I am going to make the bob map whoopy was refering to.
just some questions: was it hostages or secret docs the allies were trying to get.
also, it there a time limit since im just starting this map?

count me in. i'm alwasy far to lazy to finish a WHOLE map this should eb fun cause i know I'm a good mapper. :D

it should be called something like "Day of Defeat Close Quarters Battle Pack" or something.

Nomad, just make it docs or something, that'd be good.

And june 5th, that should give you enough time, it doesn't have to be that complicated.

I think you mean 5th of july, still, i could only get the layout done by then, not many details.

how many people plan to submit a map other than myself? (if i finixh on time) and sizes wise what is the 'max' size?
i think mine might be too big, buts its my smallest attempt at a map

mine is quite open, but small in a way. im am about 20% done, i send some screenies in a week

yeah im about 20% done too, you better not have stolen my idea or else i'll introduce your knees to Mr. Crowbar. jk

I'm planning on adding in a map but I dont know how close to done I am because I dont know where I'm stopping. I started with a bridge and I now have quite a nifty little courtyard with a cafe on side and i still dont have a point for the map :/

hey..i love this idea...:)

i finished this a few days ago but actually never want to release it ^^

take a look @ it: >>DoD_wiNteR... (http://www.devil-mapdesign.de/winter.html)

:rolleyes:

Hey guys, I'm gonna be gone until Friday, but keep it up.

mine is essentially done, the funny thing with it being deathmatch is the first wave you have time to aim at the other guy and shoot him, but after that, it's difficult to know where someone will spawn. I also have to fix a few bugs that look like charlie does (that section of beach that goes invisible)

I have a small king of the hill map ready for the mappack :D

http://skdr.dodfi.net/dod_rush.jpg

well, I fixed the funky brush errors, the r_speeds are roughly 550, I ran a server full of bots and it worked out way way way better than I had expected...and if you use fog, it makes it even more fun. I have a small sample picture of the map. (I'll release a beta in the next day or two so I can smooth out any bugs in time for the mappack.

looks very nice and atmospheric

here are 2 screenies of mine, 30-35% finished (r_speeds are 400 and below)

textures lighting etc havnt been done, but it is a night map

2nd pic

looks a little too dark.

Originally posted by TheNomad
textures lighting etc havnt been done, but it is a night map

does that explain

Thats TOO dark to be fun.

Give it moonlight or something.

Originally posted by TheNomad
textures lighting etc havnt been done, but it is a night map
Originally posted by TheNomad
textures lighting etc havnt been done, but it is a night map
Originally posted by TheNomad
textures lighting etc havnt been done, but it is a night map
Originally posted by TheNomad
textures lighting etc havnt been done, but it is a night map

^^ :rolleyes:

LoL thx Phokus, at least someone gets the message :rolleyes:

Find my para_raiders map and put that in...or I could change it to DM style if you wish.

Sigh.... I thought somebody would post something like that which phokus did.

THE
MAP
IS
TOO
DARK

Understand that??!?!

Oh, and the skybox texture looks to have mulitcoloured fuzzy stars... go to the www.planethalflife.com/wadfather to get a better one.

CptMuppet, what part of the LIGHTING isnt done yet dont you understand?

OMG would u just stfu. do u NOT understand the lighting has NOT been finished!!!!

also, i did get that sky texture from the wad father, but i do have some others i could use

(bangs head) Use the light_environment then.

OMG...

Thats one of the first entities I sort out.

Not everyones like you muppet, people have there own ways at mapping stuff.

but it makes no sense to show a map where it's too dark to see anything.

The map was pitch black. Thats bad
the lighting hasnt been done yet. Thats OK
Screenshots were shown of the map in crappy state. Thats asking for it.

END OF DISCUSSION

i have a map which could b put forward. dod_milltown. The map itself is 80% complete and i still haven't done the texturing. I should b able to finish on time though.

Is 5th of july the very final deadline (testing and all). if it is pls make it later, i would hate to release a map that hasnt been tested.

ok, my map is ready for the pack.

Bah, im making a foy map,but as you can see, its no where near completion. Maybe if i map my ass off i can get it done, but im not sure(i have to check if the name is already taken,does anyone know?)
I dont understand how you test your map in the making if its completly dark.

well, then I guess I'll make a garand map :o

Faceman has a map to submit. I just need to release the movie for it, should be before July 5th.

Well I've thought of a point if you can call ti that. Kill everything.

its a little german town and the germans are suprised by an allied invasion and need to clear out the area. There will be bodies and stuff all over the palces the terrain will be highly destructable with cool spawns for both teams.

Blitz_pzg - Blitz Panzer Grenadier
A combined assault with a tank (75mm and MG34) and infantry.
The allied defend 1 flag. Timer 2 minutes.
screen1 (http://perso.wanadoo.fr/kruger/maps/img/pzg1.jpg) screen2 (http://perso.wanadoo.fr/kruger/maps/img/pzg2.jpg) screen3 (http://perso.wanadoo.fr/kruger/maps/img/pzg3.jpg)
PzIVJ model by -iNw-H&K S.Gautreaux and Scimitar.

Nice work guys. I'll think about moving back the deadline since a number of people have complained.

Fuzzdad, thx, and I think it's fine as is, it's a deathmatch anyways.

Hey guys, just letting you all know the submission date has been bumped back a week. All of you who have completed maps, plz pm me on these forums. We have a number of good maps already, but I'd like to see some more and allow for some people who needed more time to complete their works. Next saturday is final day for submissions. Thanks.

what about my map:


http://www.dayofdefeat.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=8930 (DoD_Tiger)

What do you think? :)

I will release after Playtest in the next days! Brushwork is finished, but i´m searching for a few good street names, the only names which are flying through my head are: Axis Street....but these are silly :)

How big is it? Otherwise it looks good enough :)

Ive finished my map dod_knight. testing sometime next week, i wish you could push bach the deadline a few more days but ill try and get testing done by next saturday.

Screenshots here! (http://www.geocities.com/mappingzone/night.htm)

Looks cool, maybe make it a bight lighter...

My map dod_burn.

The screenshots at the bottom of the page are more representative of the current overall map visual quality.

Theres also several areas not covered in those pictures either (MG bunkers, and open areas...)

I would post more screens, wait until tommorrow afternoon (GMT that is) for more pictures!

The preview thread for dod_burn:
http://www.dayofdefeat.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=10778

The last pics I uploaded:
http://www.dodstudios.net/uploads/uploads/dod_burn_roofhole2.jpg
http://www.dodstudios.net/uploads/uploads/dod_burn_radio_room.jpg

I'm rather pleased with the outdoor areas I've created...

Looks great, how big is it going to be?

Remember guys SMALL MAPS PACK! any map wont do, gotta be small.

Unfortunatly i dont think I'm gonna make it with decorating my room and some troubles wiht my um *cough* objectives *cough* it will not likely make it :(

my objective still is to kill everything but I've got an uber nice spin on it. :D

My map is complete sans the Axis objective...I'm waiting for a somewhat special edition I suppose of Angry Beaver's C-47.

a couple of teaser pics for now ;)

more...

a little more...

and the last until I get the finished product...

Err my map is probably slightly bigger than anzio...

I didn't read the first post, I just thought you meant "small in the number of maps"! Sorry, I was just like "wow cool!"

After reading your first post, my maps WAY too big. Sorry to get your hopes up! My fault for being stupid.

Best of luck with getting some quality maps!

Edit: Looks like Gorbacev's work should be good. Nice plane... But the tail seems to be sticking up slightly too much. Also, on some of the rocky "outcrops" the contrast between snow and rock is too great. Make a texture which has snow around the edges, and rock in the middle.

This kind of texture Gorbacev- although make it look better than my 1 minute crapola.

Originally posted by Whoopy42
How big is it? Otherwise it looks good enough :)


Mhm between 3-5 MB, because i used some old kraftstoff textures and they aren´t in every dod folder ^^

Ah, I see Muppet, its no problem. Nice work

To let you know guys, submissions have to be in by next Saturday, but then you'll have a one week period to get rid of bugs and make whatever small changes you think are needed.

Beaver- if you still can't get it done in time, let me see what you have and maybe I can help you out.

Originally posted by Whoopy42
To let you know guys, submissions have to be in by next Saturday, but then you'll have a one week period to get rid of bugs and make whatever small changes you think are needed.

what does that mean, Sataday is the final deadline?? or we have a week after that??

May I submit mine: dod_zigliara?

Here are some screenshots:

http://www.dodstudios.net/uploads/uploads/dod_zigliara0001.jpg
http://www.dodstudios.net/uploads/uploads/dod_zigliara0002.jpg
http://www.dodstudios.net/uploads/uploads/dod_zigliara0003.jpg
http://www.dodstudios.net/uploads/uploads/dod_zigliara0004.jpg
http://www.dodstudios.net/uploads/uploads/dod_zigliara0005.jpg
http://www.dodstudios.net/uploads/uploads/dod_zigliara0006.jpg

...But the tail seems to be sticking up slightly too much...

Whadda ya mean the tail sticks up to much! i put a lot of work into getting that model right. then I tweaked the hell out of it so it looked right in game. Its staying that way :)

If your meaning it dosnt look crashed, well no thats not the crashed model. the crashed model is still 1/2 done my HD

TY for the help offer but its just I'm busy nothing much you can help me wtih cause I've got the complex objective sorted out but i still need to get it working.

Sorry- I mean the model itself is fine. The angle at which the plane is stuck in the snow is slightly wrong. If you look, the tail seems to be sticking out of the snow slightly too high, but that could be fixed in hammer (especially easily if you have the latest hammer with model support) by rotating the angle of the model.

er..you can't really see it at the picture angel...but it's purposefully that high...it looks just fine in game. As for the texture thing..I know what you mean..but it would be very very difficult to get it right so that the entire map looks smooth enough, because the angle that every cliff is at is different. I'll see what I can do, but I highly doubt it.

May I submit mine: dod_zigliara?
Good looking map i must say serum, you got a dl site?

Assuming it's a good enough size serum, you most certainly can. :)

Quick question if I may...I might have missed it,

When is the map pack coming out?

Has my entry been received?

Long day at work...must sleep now.

Nite all.

Mr. Binary

Map pack will be coming out next Sunday, all maps have to be submitted by this Saturday, and then accepted maps are given 1 week to fix any bugs or make any last minute changes.

Yeah, I saw your map, I replied to your e-mail. In any case it's pretty good, it'll most likely get in the pack.

can it b made into a single exe plz, so just one click instal the lot.

Its cos one place i wana install it is at a lan place where me and my m8s get a couple of free hours a week. These hours will b our only chance to instal, and im not sure people will b over pleased if i hav to stand at their cpu for half and hour putting all the models and sprites etc for every map into the right folders.

Oh definately, it'll most likely be a self extracting exe, even if it was a zip file, it'd be set up so you'd only have to extract into a folder and everything would go to the right sub directory.

cool stuf

can we submit them as the exe, or just everything as it is and u (woopy) make it into an exe?

Remember, deadline for submissions is tommorrow... ;)

Nomad: I will make the final exe, just submit it as is.

After Saturday, mappers will have a week to make any fixes or changes, and will turn in the final version next Saturday.

Incedentally, I'd like to get a number of mirrors, if you're interested, pm me.

I'd like to have it done, but I don't have the model yet, so my map is on hold until the model is finished...so I might have to withdraw.

No no, if there's something like that holding you up, but you'll have it done by next Saturday, just submit it as is and explain why it's not complete. Then finish it for next Saturday.

i hope i arnt too late :S

my map is called dod_fun_night

the group i belong to [907th] has a few hours on a friday night and i made this for it, its nothing really special, but you get some really good battles in the middle on the bridge, also get a nice supprise if you jump in the water ;)

http://files.houstondod.com/pafiledb.php?action=file&id=132

not sure if its suitable for this pack, but worth a shot i suppose, if you need to contact me my email is

david_ledger34@hotmail.com

[907th] SMaj. NoIsY_LiGhTnInG [E]

I've been away for a whole week because of work and I'd like to know if it's too late to submit my map dod_zigliara. It wasn't finished last week-end so I couldn't submit it...

No man, you can submit it, even if its not totally done. Just make sure it's done by next weekend.

I'm working on the destroyed version of the C-47 don't worry. I'll try my hardest to get it done bfr next saturday but I can't promise anything as my room is only 3/4 decorated I may have to work on that instead of my comp.

next saturday???

Noooooooooooo

:( me thoughts the release was today. *bangs head against desk*

I have my prelim version pretty much ready, the only thing I'll change is so that it has respawns for now. Where do I send it?

If it's a link, pm me, if its a file, send to nrwirth@comcast.net

ok, I emailed a prelim version. It's about 1Mb, and when I get the other model it'll be a tiny bit bigger, but now's the time to see if it works on other people's computers with all the files I've supplied.

Originally posted by Whoopy42
If it's a link, pm me, if its a file, send to nrwirth@comcast.net

Oups I sent you a link to nrwirth@comcast.net:rolleyes:

Its ok :)