I am looking for anyone experienced with player models / skins to help with creating Greeks !!

The Greek army cells helped in many campains, such as Anzio, and a number of British SAS operations.

This is a great idea! Can't say I'm much of a modeler, but I could help with the skinning. I could also do some research or something.

These could replace the Brits, they sent a lot of their weapons to partisans in lots of countries.

Again, great idea.

having Greek soldiers is about as left-out as having Swedish soldiers, both the Swedes and the Greeks we're used at such a low amount that it's almost no documentation of it as of what I reckon

I think a Free French pack would spark more interest. Well, for me anyway.

Enfield = MAS36
Sten = Sten Mark 1
Bren = Hotchkiss
Webley = Modele 1896 "Lebel"

Ach! Who wants to be French?

I do, what's wrong with Frenchies?

Originally posted by Innoxx
I do, what's wrong with Frenchies?

It´s very difficult for me not to answer this question. :D

lol "SAY CHOWDER FRENCHIE!" - Mayor Quimby :D

oi! Don't knock the free french commandos! They kicked some serious ass on D-Day and the weeks following it.

I think making a greek pack is a great idea. If I get my other projects out of the way I may be able to lend a hand with it.

Ska

Okay, I'll admit the Free French guys did do some cool stuff, but let's not forget that the best French forces are the Foreign Legion, because they're foreigners....

But, yeah I agree the Free French did kick ass. I'd still rather be Greek.

The legion is pretty damn scary if you ask me lol I remember reading about a guy being put in a box with a snake for a day cos he lost part of his rifle lol

To be honest though, a free french commando pack would look jus the same as brits really but with different badges and stuff.

I hope the Greek pack goes well though, sounds pretty cool.

Ska

Greek Reference #1 (http://3rd-id.dodhq.net/greek.jpg)

Greek Reference #2 (http://3rd-id.dodhq.net/greek2.jpg)

Best of luck.

Higgins you are the man when it comes to ref pics.

Where do you get them all from? lol

Ska

you have that book too? :p

Edit: Its a book Ska.

Heh, those I just scanned in from a uniform book of mine.

Edit: Yes, I have that book too... It was in the CLEARANCE rack at a local bookstore for a measly 11 dollars. I couldn't believe it! Once in a lifetime chance.

Yes, a good Greek boy. Not with the long hair and dry, dry like toast.

I've seen that book at some places. Cool stuff. I would've bought it, but it was too expensive. You made a steal, Higgins. I've had a lot of luck for reference with Osprey books, too.

Here are some more for verification and use by anyone brave to do the mod.


http://www.netcomuk.co.uk/~dpohara/grk40-02.JPG

http://www.netcomuk.co.uk/~dpohara/grk40-14.JPG

http://www.geocities.com/ww2greece/


If there is interest shown I would like to collaborate into making a Greek Map, re-enacting one for the most known events in Athens occupation.

Briefing:
Blow a storage depot, free hostages, capture a flag, capture a position.

Special features: (not sure if all can be done within DoD)
1. Allies not allowed Bar or .30 cal, or Bren

2. Similarly for Axis weapons

3. the Flag area and the capture position area are not connected, troops spawn randomly in either part of the map

4. Allies troops spawn in one area predetermined in both parts of the map.

5. Axis troops spawn in a closed room and in a few predetermined positions (guard posts) and can not leave the immediate vicinity of the location until the first shot. This gives the allies a chance to move towards the objective using knifes, etc.

I think the idea is to promote team play and stealth which is often overlooked.

Any brave mappers to take on the challenge?

I say give the marksman that large cloak thingie like in the earlier picture.

Originally posted by Frontschwein
It´s very difficult for me not to answer this question. :D
It's even harder for me not to, since 50% of my life is spent bashing France. I even did so in a school report:D

I have to admit, the only good Frenchmen in WW2 were SAS Free French, although in their attack on Ouisterham they were getting blown to little Frenchy bits until they got a Cromwell in the battle to take out the armor and flak gun that was tearing them to shreds. They even had nuns walk into the battle to help the wounded Frenchmen:D

Wow.. that whole nun thing your talking about sounds JUST like a scene in "The Longest Day". Except with Canadian troops and it was Juno.

Originally posted by Dokimos
Here are some more for verification and use by anyone brave to do the mod.


http://www.netcomuk.co.uk/~dpohara/grk40-02.JPG

http://www.netcomuk.co.uk/~dpohara/grk40-14.JPG

http://www.geocities.com/ww2greece/


If there is interest shown I would like to collaborate into making a Greek Map, re-enacting one for the most known events in Athens occupation.

Briefing:
Blow a storage depot, free hostages, capture a flag, capture a position.

Special features: (not sure if all can be done within DoD)
1. Allies not allowed Bar or .30 cal, or Bren

2. Similarly for Axis weapons

3. the Flag area and the capture position area are not connected, troops spawn randomly in either part of the map

4. Allies troops spawn in one area predetermined in both parts of the map.

5. Axis troops spawn in a closed room and in a few predetermined positions (guard posts) and can not leave the immediate vicinity of the location until the first shot. This gives the allies a chance to move towards the objective using knifes, etc.

I think the idea is to promote team play and stealth which is often overlooked.

Any brave mappers to take on the challenge?
That's somewhat like my old map, dod_stalag17. The mission plan went something like this:
Axis spawn in guard towers that have rotating searchlights, they are restricted to one MG34 per guard tower and K43s(I never decided on whether to take away flashlights or not). The Allies are stripped of their weapons when they spawn, and they must dodge searchlights and break into an ammo locker and take up arms. The second that happens, the prison lights turn on, an alarm goes off, and bits of the bottom of the goon towers break open so the players can climb down. It also triggers new Axis spawns, inside the Garrison(which is locked until the alarm), and in the Kommandtur(which is accessable through windows only until the alarm is sounded, but there's only the secretary's office to go through until the alarm is sounded). The Allies then take up Axis arms(Axis can now trade in their weapons for newer ones, but only spawn with K43s and 34s) and have to break into the Kommandant's Office, assasinate him(he's an NPC under guard by 3 Axis guards, alongside 5 others in the Secretary's Office who spawn once the alarm in sounded), steal the documents by procuring grenades from the Garrison, break into the motor pool, and bring the documents to the truck. This would trigger an ending movie of the truck crashing through the gates, and if I chose to extend the escape, go on to the next map.

Originally posted by Wren
Wow.. that whole nun thing your talking about sounds JUST like a scene in "The Longest Day". Except with Canadian troops and it was Juno.
I learn my history through the movies:D

heh heh, don't we all.

Reminds me of the quote,

"If history lessons were taught as stories, alot more people would be interested."

A Greek pack sounds good, it'll be a nice compliment to the Italian pack I'm working on.

Higgens, what's the name of that book? I'd like to take a look at it.

The name of the book is "Uniforms of World War II" by Peter Darman

The cover looks like this:
Http://homeslice.yourip.org/book1.jpg

And on the inside, it has bascially 250 full colour drawings, from over 30 countries (A pic from the german part of the book):
Http://homeslice.yourip.org/book2.jpg

You can see the drawing, and a small section about the person in the drawing, the gear that they are using, and where they were.

I find it frustrating that on nearly every US picture, they comment on how the soldier is carrying his "water bottle".

...

Erm, it's a canteen folks.

you seem grumpy. go have another sip from your water bottle. :p :p :p :p

Trigger, depending exactely which Italian you doing maybe it will be a help. The helmets are the same for one. Greeks bought them from Italy (ironic eh?)

Originally posted by Wren
Wow.. that whole nun thing your talking about sounds JUST like a scene in "The Longest Day". Except with Canadian troops and it was Juno.

They weren't canadians. In the scene you are talking about, the assault on the casino at Ouisterham, it was the free french commandos that were aided by the nuns. There are no canadians in The Longest Day to my knowledge (there may be some small characters but there are no long fight scenes involving them).

And so what if the nuns helped them? You make it sound like they made them. The nuns volunteered to help cos they believed it was the right thing to do and cos they were their country men.

As for saying the only good french forces were the SAS, thats bollocks. The French had a lot of damn good pilots that fought in Europe and even in the battle of britain (not to a great extent though).

The remants of the french navy gave a bloody lot of support fire to the beaches on D-Day and took out alot of enemy positions. They helped take out nearly all the bunkers on omaha beach except for the one which had a cannon in it i think (correct me if i'm wrong). Their airforce (with the help of the RAF) also slowed down the Axis reinforcements moving to the beaches and bought the rest of the allies some time.

I'm not exactly a huge fan of the french (especially the ones from South Paris lol) but before you go shooting your mouth off about how useless they were i suggest you read up on the subject first.

Anyway, back on topic now i've finished ranting :D

The greek pack sounds like a great idea, and that map sounds pretty damn cool. Did you ever finish it 2ltBen?

Ska

They didn't sound french to me.

And when you talk about someone elses post.. could you quote that as well? I didn't say anything about the french.

they dint sound french? are you ****ting me?

The commander yells 'fall back' twice in french and then the sarge has a two minute conversation with the nun in french. They also had the free french commandos cross on their shoulder and the radio op talks on the line numerous times in french lol Also the whole scene where they are briefed about the attack (the scale model and that) they speak in french and mention how they are fighting on home ground.

The reason you probally think they are canadian is cos you've seen the dubbed version which is the most common version shown on TV i think. I've got the subtitled DVD as I cant stand dubbed films where there mouths dont even remotely fit what they're saying lol

and I wasn't getting at you mate. I was jus too lazy to quote the other bloke too lol

Ska

Yes yes, some spoke french. But I figured they were french canadian. Since the rest of the group all talked in english. After the movie they had an interview with a Canadian veteran. So I figured..

All this because I said: "Ach! Who wants to be French?"

But anyway, the Greek pack sounds cool.

Nah mate. if you watch it again you'll see they're french. At some point in the film (not sure which though, i think its the one where they are talking about why the germans haven't brought in their panzers) a British officer mentions the Free French Commandos are coming up to Ousterham.

Ska

Originally posted by 8thGuards
Ach! Who wants to be French?

I do. I'm from Montreal, QC, and as with many French Canadians, I'd rather be portrayed by frenchies than canucks, yankees or limeys(althought I must agree with Ska_Wars; no one in his right mind can stand them people from Paris). :)

Oh, and yes, those were french troops in the movie, can tell from the accent.

heres a bloody pic to settle to arguement lol

@ d3fmabye, oi! whats wrong with being British! lol i know alot of guys from South Paris and they could quite easily drown in their own arrogance. I dont mind french, jus not them lol

@ 8thGuards, this is all your fault! Stiring up trouble again lol

Ska

Alright. But who were those bagpipe guys? Scots or what? I didn't get that.

They were lord lovetts commandos. The commandos were made up of volunteers from many different branches on the British armed forces who passed the selection process. The guy playing the bagpipe was most likely from the scottish black watch.

Easiest way to spot commandos is that they usually wore comfort caps. They also retained the beret from their old unit so all their hat badges would probally be different. Also they tended to use Thompsons, one of the few british forces that still did.

Ska

You're right Ska. In addition at being good for doing research, I stir up trouble pretty good!

Oh wait, this thread was supposed to be about a Greek pack... Well, Greeks, French, whatever. They're all foreigners!

'When all else fails, blame 8thguards' lol

BTW i love you sig, I dunno why i jus think its cool. I think all the old 'pin up' style drawings where cool.

Ska

Nothing wrong with being British. Been to England twice, and I've loved it both times... you've got everything, starting with the sexy accent. Hell, some of the nicest chaps I met were British.

Im from Yorkshire though, which is practically the third world in some places. It's basically the national hub of under achievement for Britain lol We did well in the ol industrial revolution thing, but then never really advanced from that :D Also the yorkshire accent is by no means 'sexy' lol Where in Britain did you visit anyway?


BTW who is this greek pack gonna replace? brits or US?

Ska

London... Oxford... those places where us dumb tourists usually end up. Made a few less-known cities on my first trip, which was with friends who'd already been to the bigger places, but that's quite some time ago, and I've long forgotten the names. :(

'Pin-up' drawing do kick ass, Ska. But anyway, I think the Greek pack should replace the Brits, (no offense, lol :-P). That way the Sten can still be used.

I guess the Greek pack would replace the Brit as some of the weapons can be reused. No offence to Brits (I live in the place anyway).

Would it not be great if model packs did not have to replace one of the standards and players could select from any when joining a map. Think a couple of Brits, a US marine, some French, and a Russian all playing at the same time on the Anzio map. Actually that would be very realistic - thats how it was.

hrmm.. im a quarter french...

but yeah i would like to see a greek pack. i love the fuzzy shoes Rofl :D

Originally posted by Dokimos
Trigger, depending exactely which Italian you doing maybe it will be a help. The helmets are the same for one. Greeks bought them from Italy (ironic eh?)

Yeah, although Greek helmets don't look quite like their Italian counterparts, it'd be an easy enough task to tweak them properly. I'd be able to finish the players in a week or two if I ever started back up on them.

hmm.. a greek pack sounds cool. :D

Didnt the greeks have those really weird uniforms that they marched in? On a series of movies I have called "Why we fight World War II" (It was a informational series thingy for soldiers fighting WWII :p ) It shows them marching in weird uniforms and says

"Why did mussolini underestimate the Greeks? Was it the strange uniforms?"

lol

The weird Greek uniforms are mainly for show (marching, etc) like the traditional British queens guards with red dresses and high "creature comfort" black hats.

I am not an expert on why Mussolini underestimated the Greeks but I think

first the Italian people including the soldiers did not particularly like him or wanted a war of any kind. Thus had no commitment.


second, the Italians were unprepared for the extremes of very bad weather and a very rough mountainous terrain.

third, the weather and the terrain made technology differences irrelevant

fourth, Greeks have a 'natural' warrior instinct that comes to surface only when threaten


Italians were not the only ones that underestimated the Greek resistance. The German army wasted 3 months above what they though and only managed to get in when the winter passed and finished with France (?) so they could sent navy and air support. Germans never managed to occupy all of Greece, in a large number of places they were defeated but left them alone due to low strategic importance. And finally the battle of Crete was the crucial delay that the German army did not expect in their way to Africa. Both US and Allied commands said at the time that the delay was planned and gave the allied forces enough time to get ready.

Apologies to all Italians and Germans in the forum. My best fried in my last work place was from Italy and I worked for 6 months in Ulm in Germany, and I love the country and the people.