I've noticed that every time someone requests or makes a model that isn't realistic, they are always met with huge criticism. I just want everyone to remember that not everything has to be 100% realistic. That is the one thing that I like about the CS community, nobody cares at all if you use a scoped Desert Eagle as your AWP model.

So think next time before you say something like, "Well you shouldn't really make that because, although it did exist during WWII, it saw very limited service." Maybe, by some fluke chance, the person just wants the model because it looks cool, not because it's realistic.

The DANZ agrees
CRAZY models are wicked fun
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amen

I totally agree. Poor Flamm...flamed when he released his naked Third Reich guys..:( (It was actually a hit in the Dod editing center site)

If you don't like it, don't download it, simple.
And never ever criticize someone's hard work, only with positive criticism which could make improvements on a model

Well said, friend. I usually don't use models that aren't realistic, but I have never once criticized them. I always say "great work", because it is and it's very creative, but I just don't use it. There's no need to make rude comments though.

I appreciate all the work anyone does :D

I'll agree with that, i like having the option to go for realistic/historically accurate stuff to suit me, so i dont see why an option for the opposite shouldnt exist for someone else just as much.

/me jumps on the bandwagon... I love custom content.. makes a great game even more fun to play...


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WIP: Hotdog stick grenade :p

While we're on the topic, who wants to make a chicken spade replacement? The swing sound could be BKAAAAAWWW!! (chicken noise).

I was thinking about making a Yatta pack, but with the mass flaming of Flamm's Men of the Third Reich, I think I'll go back to hiding behind my rock.

Your post doesn't do your idea justice, Doug. I'm not sure what you're trying to say. Are you saying you don't care if people make semi-realistic models of rare weapons during WWII? What's your point of view on totally unrealistic models? Such as a desert eagle in DoD.

My opinion is, I encourage people to post that they are making a totally unrealistic model. What I don't want to see is requests for these unrealistic models. They clutter the board and more often than not, no one will want to take the project on. And also it can probably be easily done with a quick conversion job from CS or whatever, without a release.

On semi-realistic like silenced WWII weapons. Go ahead. Whatever rocks your boat. Doesn't rock mine, but you'll probably find more people interested in it than say an MP5.

My point was that i don't like to see people flaming other people over requests and releases. If you don't like what they request, that doesn't make you the better person and give you the right to tell them what they should use. And if someone releases something that you think is stupid, there is no reason for you to tell them it is, because nobody is forcing you to use it.

I think we've reached a concensus that it's okay to release unrealistic models and nobody should knock em.

But what about requests of such models? If the community has any say in the matter, how would you decide?

Everyone has said not to knock another's hard work. But requests don't take any effort at all. I could make a hundred requests in a day. All legitimate, but I'd clutter up the forum so you could never find the releases. Would you complain?

Nobody has really bothered to argue this. But I think it's very important to get it settled early before it becomes an issue.

Like I said before. I'm against those type of requests. But, I'm afraid that by just allowing unrealistic releases, you're inviting those unrealistic requests. Can somebody add a flamethrower to this M82A1?

There aren't 100 requests per day.

If so, let the forum get cluttered: who cares?

If someone wants to ask for a MP5 replacement for the thompson, let it happen. There's no harm in asking.

I've noticed people get real uptight about unrealistic models, and I hope that stops, because it's pretty lame. The great thing about customizations is that you can make it truly a customized game, and not just better models of the same weapons all the time.

Give me my MP5 Model, Give me my TEC9 model! I embrace you both!!

I've seen a perfectly viable scoped Desert Eagle get flamed all to hell with massive hoots of "CHEATERS!!!" and other such nonsense by dozens of people because it was iron-sited and you could see through the scope [though there was no glass and it jumped horribly when you shot to block your view completely; transparencies weren't available at the time] in the CS community. Even with the limitted resistence such innovative models get around here, I'm generally very pleased with the DoD community, though I can't say I find nudity to be amusing.

I say make the model, no matter how rare it was in WW2, or whether it was even used at all. I probably won't go so far as to having a Desert Eagle, but it's still nice to see people put weeks of time researching these weapons and things. It's very satisfying to build something like that. People do it because they love it and that should be respected.

On the issue of "the men of the Reich" models/skins.. do remember some things like nudidity are not endorsed by a mature community (lol, mature :rolleyes: ) and is certainly not allowed on a public forum like this one which can be viewed by pre-teens.

You know the drill.

errrrr... GO UNREALISTIC MODELS... yay... uh yeah...

dont get me wrong doug cus i like you and i do agree with you 100% but this wont change anything, theres too many unmoderated arseholes that are gonna spout **** and get awayw ith it.

i agree i dont put down someones work without giving them some way of making it better and thats how it aught to be.

like i say dont get me wrong i agree 100% but i feel this is like tyrin to be a hero thread, and it just aint gonna happen mate. arseholes are rife and will get away with it because all the mods seem to be in the mapping forums closing peoples threads because they ask for help.

and also shutting threads in general just because they took away the RN and i linked it to general DoD and the *******s STILL deleted it! instead of doing their jobs and taking out flamers, they jsut pray on people wanting conversatins. wtg really good work there. and you watch i bet ill get banned for this. despite all the work ive put out, despite all the good feedback i give people, im not suprised so many great people elt this place.

Hear hear! :cool:

Actualy those naked third reich guys just looked bad, thats all. Maybe they were caught in middle of taking a shower, who knows.

Oh yeaaaah. Now I get it. Communal baths. Just like the Romans.

I didn't see anything wrong with the Third Reich models..We all have *****es and asses so why should we be insulted when someone releases a model of naked men? There are very few pre-teens in these forums and if there are they would probably just laugh because thats what it was made for. To be laughed at not to be flamed. What negative effect would this have on pre-teens? nothing.

And I agree smart or normal threads are closed when some ******* ruins it. Why not talk to the ******* or ban him if he persists in insulting/flaming? Sure close the entire thread as to make sure that the problem is solved. What about the other decent people who wanted to post in that thread? They can't coz its closed.

It can help them develop a sense of irreverence. Perhaps you've heard this word. Part of its deffinition is this: "showing lack of due respect."

Running around, pointing and laughing at naked people isn't respect.

"Ha-ha, you've got a small (expletive)."

I'm sure you'd have a blast at -that- party.

The reason it isn't respect is what you hinted at already, Firmalo: we all have them. How is it funny? We've all seen such things. We all accept them as being a natural and healthy part of our lives. It's to children who still run screaming at the thought of cooties that it should be so deliriously funny, right? Children who haven't yet accepted their own sexuality and what the implications of that are. Or am I mistaken? What other reason could there be for laughing at nudity?

The reason the nude models aren't funny isn't because they're nude. It's because someone's base enough to think nudity is humourous, which, as you said, there is no reason for. If there's no reason to be offended, there's no reason to find humour. Except, perhaps, in knowing that someone will be offended?

However, it needs to be noted that not everyone laughs or needs to laugh at the same things you do. I would hardly expect you to find amusement in all the things I do.

To tell someone they need to do any manner of anything -you- do, just because -you- do it, is tantamount to discrimination. Oh, sure, it seems small to someone who thinks largely of themselves.

"If you're not doing what I'm doing, there's something wrong with you."

Isn't that what you're saying?

The big things are always made of little things. You tell me I'm not perfectly human to not laugh at the things you do. Tell me the things you laugh at are the things EVERYONE should laugh at.

Then tell me my hair's wrong, because it's not the same as yours. I'm not tall enough, or short enough. I don't wear the right brand of jeans. I don't support the same teams you do. I'm not republican or democratic. I'm not American. I'm not white. I'm not black. I'm not your clone.

Go ahead and tell me these things are wrong. Perhaps I'll find humour in it. Perhaps you won't. Perhaps everyone else will. Perhaps they won't.

Would you laugh the same if they were nude female Axis models? Probably not.

Some of us didn't laugh at them being male. We didn't laugh at them for any reason at all. In many cases, such things are considered in the same bad taste as getting drunk and driving on a highway to see how many accidents you can cause by swerving all over the road without getting in an accident yourself.

In case you hadn't noticed, Keanu Reaves showing off his rear end [just what the hell was the point of THAT, anyway?!? they're both ugly as sin] in Reloaded got it an R rating. These forums are not rated R. At best, they're PG13, if I'm not mistaken.

As far as the word, "mature," is concerned, there's two meanings at play here:

There's legally mature, in which case you can own a gun and shoot stuff in your back yard, get drunk, buy porn, drive, have sex with whoever you want...

And there's mentally mature, in which case you choose to do none of those things, for whatever reason.

You can have a big stick in your pants, but that just means you've got a big stick in your pants. Doesn't make you mature in the largest sense. Unless you consider the "largest sense" to be directly proportional to your appendage when compared to those of others, in which case I sincerely offer liberal ammounts of pointing and laughter.

That brings back memories of the old forums, and that guy that wanted a flame thrower has a knife replaecment, and we all flamed him SO much, and ripa felt bad for him, so he made it. And it was the coolest idea ever, and we all used it.

Originally posted by =DD=Wolf Kahler
It can help them develop a sense of irreverence. Perhaps you've heard this word. Part of its deffinition is this: "showing lack of due respect."

Running around, pointing and laughing at naked people isn't respect.

"Ha-ha, you've got a small (expletive)."

I'm sure you'd have a blast at -that- party.

The reason it isn't respect is what you hinted at already, Firmalo: we all have them. How is it funny? We've all seen such things. We all accept them as being a natural and healthy part of our lives. It's to children who still run screaming at the thought of cooties that it should be so deliriously funny, right? Children who haven't yet accepted their own sexuality and what the implications of that are. Or am I mistaken? What other reason could there be for laughing at nudity?

However, it needs to be noted that not everyone laughs or needs to laugh at the same things you do. I would hardly expect you to find amusement in all the things I do.

To tell someone they need to do any manner of anything -you- do, just because -you- do it, is tantamount to discrimination. Oh, sure, it seems small to someone who thinks largely of themselves.

"If you're not doing what I'm doing, there's something wrong with you."

Isn't that what you're saying?

The big things are always made of little things. You tell me I'm not perfectly human to not laugh at the things you do. Tell me the things you laugh at are the things EVERYONE should laugh at.

Then tell me my hair's wrong, because it's not the same as yours. I'm not tall enough, or short enough. I don't wear the right brand of jeans. I don't support the same teams you do. I'm not republican or democratic. I'm not American. I'm not white. I'm not black. I'm not your clone.

Go ahead and tell me these things are wrong. Perhaps I'll find humour in it. Perhaps you won't. Perhaps everyone else will. Perhaps they won't.


Would you laugh the same if they were nude female Axis models? Probably not.

Some of us didn't laugh at them being male. We didn't laugh at them for any reason at all. In many cases, such things are considered in the same bad taste as getting drunk and driving on a highway to see how many accidents you can cause by swerving all over the road without getting in an accident yourself.

In case you hadn't noticed, Keanu Reaves showing off his rear end [just what the hell was the point of THAT, anyway?!? they're both ugly as sin] in Reloaded got it an R rating. These forums are not rated R. At best, they're PG13, if I'm not mistaken.

As far as the word, "mature," is concerned, there's two meanings at play here:

There's legally mature, in which case you can own a gun and shoot stuff in your back yard, get drunk, buy porn, drive, have sex with whoever you want...

And there's mentally mature, in which case you choose to do none of those things, for whatever reason.

You can have a big stick in your pants, but that just means you've got a big stick in your pants. Doesn't make you mature in the largest sense. Unless you consider the "largest sense" to be directly proportional to your appendage when compared to those of others, in which case I sincerely offer liberal ammounts of pointing and laughter.

Oh God. I spent an hour reading your post. You made your point. But the thing is Flamm is a good guy and didn't deserve the attitude that was thrown at him by some other guys. It may be funny to other people and it may be stupid to others. It didn't make me laugh when I saw the models but it didn't make me angry either. Maybe some people may just find it funny that their favorite German soldiers are naked? Actually if the models were women instead, I wouldn't laugh. I would be horny. If you don't like it dont dl it and don't say anything which to hurt the creator's feelings. You could say that its impractical, not realistic but you could always say it properly. He was flamed, his thread was closed. He only asked why, he was flamed again.
"If you're not doing what I'm doing, there's something wrong with you."

"Isn't that what you're saying?"
Who are you to judge me? Smartass. I didn't have problem with what you were saying but when I saw those lines I blew my top the first few lines made sense the rest are bull****. If you thought that I was like that then you are ignorant. An ignorant know-it-all who generalises about other people. Thats not what I was implying. I got mad by the fact that people are making it such a big deal and Flamm made that model for the sole purpose of lets say "cheering up the forums" He didn't mean to make anybody mad did he?

There are very few pre-teens in these forums and if there are they would probably just laugh because thats what it was made for. To be laughed at not to be flamed. What negative effect would this have on pre-teens? nothing.

I said what I said because of this. One's intentions are all well and good when doing something. However, it needs to be considered whether there may be ramafications. To consider ONLY your intentions is not an excuse.

"I was just drunk, officer. I didn't mean to kill that family."

Also, saying it would have no effect on minors is irresponsible in its own way. To some, it would. To others, it wouldn't.

To the moderators, everyone has to be considered, including the ones who WOULD be negatively affected.

That said, the rest of us can't JUST consider Flamm's feelings, though cussing violently gets nobody anywhere. There comes a time where Flamm has to consider other people's feelings. This is an affectation of being in a society. If you could just go through life with no regard for anyone else, there would be nobody else to worry about. If there were, though, people would just cut you off on the freeway and you couldn't do anything about it because they're just doing what you're doing; having no regard for anyone else around you. Even if you got all up in their face and screaming your head off, they wouldn't learn to respect you. They wouldn't care. Why should they? You [a general non-specific "you" that doesn't necessarily refer to -you-, in particular] don't care about them.

Respect is a two-way street, as has been said many times.

Originally posted by Lt. Firmalo
I totally agree. Poor Flamm...flamed when he released his naked Third Reich guys..:( (It was actually a hit in the Dod editing center site)

interesting characteristic of your user base :-D

I laughed at the nekkid guys. But only because they were so badly done. ;)

Those things took 30 minutes to make tops.

I'm not going to be the guy that defines what good quality and bad quality models are. But those things surely have to be below the bad quality line.

I'm not much for gags. In my perfect world, people would just take a screenshot and post it in the general discussion forum. We can all have a laugh and forget about it. MSA should be a little more serious than that. Cause things gotta get done.

Edit:
I think Russa tried to capture some of Flamm's spotlight. ;)

Day of defeat will always hold a special place in my heart. The action, the pride.
DOD will always have this style. It's just the way it is.

Don't look upon unrealistic models with contempt, view them as a simple distraction. You do not have to partake in this distraction, but if you do and have some fun along the way, why is it a bad thing? DOD will aways have realistic models, and every so often there will be one that isn't so serious. It's not a bad thing though. We should be thankful modelers are making anything for the community at all ^_^