Pretty high poly methinks, but I'm aiming for it to be quite smooth & have some internals and modeled springs.



Hopefully will replace that Thompson and I'm going to try and do some custom animations for it, making them as realistic as possible (e.g. not holding the magazine).

I'm thinking of modeling a Lee Enfield No. 4 HT to replace the Springfield.

The British are Coming!

Finally someones started making british models :d, i looks great and i look foward to see its finished results, and as a Brit i salute you!

Dav0r made one of these a while back, but no one really skinned it and my attempt was horrible, because it was my first try at skinning.

Looking forward to this one, but just for fun, please make an animation version of him holding the mag, I like that better than holding the gun. :D

Nice dude. Look forward to some updates!

Nice. I still say someone should do some British player models ...like the Russians that Ivan did.

Small Update:


2007 Tris without the spring, 5207 with. Should I do it with alpha mapped springs or model the rest in?

Looking forward to this one, but just for fun, please make an animation version of him holding the mag, I like that better than holding the gun. :D

Will do :)

Nice. I still say someone should do some British player models ...like the Russians that Ivan did.

Good idea, but I'm terrible at organic modeling. Though I am thinking of replacing a few of the US weapons with British ones, e.g. Lee Enfield for the Garand (though with "mad minute" animations), STEN for the Thompson, BREN for the BAR, Maybe a Lewis Gun for the .30 cal, Scoped Lee Enfield for the Springfield, Mills Bomb for the frag grenade and a PIAT for the bazooka.

Good idea, but I'm terrible at organic modeling. Though I am thinking of replacing a few of the US weapons with British ones, e.g. Lee Enfield for the Garand (though with "mad minute" animations), STEN for the Thompson, BREN for the BAR, Maybe a Lewis Gun for the .30 cal, Scoped Lee Enfield for the Springfield, Mills Bomb for the frag grenade and a PIAT for the bazooka.If you did that, I am sure you would be everyone's hero and would be asked to use your stuff in a British mod that would eventually pop up.

The model looks nice. Keep up the good work.

Another update:



The magazine is nearly done, still lots to do on the mag well and the sides of the receiver.

I also did some quick idles which show the different anims I'm aiming to have:





The last one is experimental. At cadets we were told that STEN users held them like that to help compensate for recoil and also to support the mag. I may also try and put a sling on.

e/

Big render

! like the good old mag held sten in the middle, makes me wanna have babies, as for the sling if i think that if you go with it if and you are prepared to animated it at least half decently otherwsie it will ruin the model

Well for the sling I'd probably use reactor so that it'd react pretty realisticly without me having to animate it with the rest of the model.

Just about finished the model.


Wireframe (http://www.sgtflibble.co.uk/wip7-wire.jpg)

Still need to optimize the barrel.

Looking even better!, although i'd love to see a mk5 stock and pistol grip (solid wood) used by the para's that would be cool

It wouldn't be that difficult to make a Mk 5, I'd just need to modeify the heatshield, barrel and front sights then make the furniture.

Alternate stocks:

Drop the spring. It's eating unnecessary polygons. You won't see it in-game UNLESS you are using the Thompson default anims - and even then it's only a split second because the arm is in the way. besides that you'll have TONS of fun animating it during the cocking animation.
Slings never look that good, unless you are a master animator (and I do mean master). It will NEVER move when you turn in place either, and that just kills the illusion. DO NOT rely on the game engine to do it for you with the physics engine. You can't say I didn't warn ya ;)
First position with the hands was the proper firing position. This is the one I've seen most in pictures and movies. This is the one I would choose. Although people scream about putting the hand on the magazine, The real truth is there are many WW2 photos showing British troops doing just that, except holding almost on the magazine well itself - not the mag. Third option is basically horse-hocky. Old wives' tale. Urban myth. Maybe a couple of people back in WW2 did it thinking it was better; then again there are a couple of gangsters who think turning a pistol sideways is a good idea too. The analogy is that probably very few, if any, fired this way. I can't see blocking your sights with your hands being helpful if your are trying to make it more accurate.*EDIT*
Oops. Looks like I missed a picture, and looks like you did ax the spring. Just make sure that the cocking lever rotates around the body of the gun when in the "safety" position.


*2nd EDIT*
BTW the British DID have .30 cals from the US government re-chambered for .303. I don't know why everyone always overlooks that :) This is kinda important as the lewis had a 47rd magazine - not a 100rd belt. The Vickers (http://www.vickersmachinegun.org.uk/), closet British cousin to the Browning, always had a huge tripod mount and weighed a lot - it was never mobile.
Obviously the lewis and vickers were more common though

- The sling most likely won't be in a release anytime soon, it was just an idea for the animations.

- The 3rd idle was, as I said, experimental. I did think it was silly to cover the iron sights but it could've been used when firing from the hip.

- Well you learn something new everyday :). Though I chose the Lewis gun because on Wikipedia it said that they used 47rd and 97rd drum mags (though the 97rd was for aircraft and anti-aircraft usage, so maybe some empire countries still had them), and I figured that most MGs either don't live long enough to reload or reload with around 10rds left in the belt, so those 3 bullets wouldn't cause so much of a realism problem.

Anyhow, I'm going to start on the animations, but the Thompson is refusing to decompile.

*2nd EDIT*
BTW the British DID have .30 cals from the US government re-chambered for .303. I don't know why everyone always overlooks that :) This is kinda important as the lewis had a 47rd magazine - not a 100rd belt. The Vickers (http://www.vickersmachinegun.org.uk/), closet British cousin to the Browning, always had a huge tripod mount and weighed a lot - it was never mobile.
Obviously the lewis and vickers were more common though

The LeeEnfield had a 10 round mag not a 8 round mag either :p i think you should do a lewis gun coz no matter how much u try ur pack can't be realistic

Update

Draw animation, take one (http://www.sgtflibble.co.uk/renders/draw-1.avi) (requires xvid)

I'm not very good at animation, but hopefully they'll be decent enough.

The LeeEnfield had a 10 round mag not a 8 round mag either :p i think you should do a lewis gun coz no matter how much u try ur pack can't be realisticOh yeah, I agree. I was just poitning out that the.30 IS an option. However the lewis gun would look more distinctive.

now in my defense - the british didn't use the Garand :p. If they had I woulda mentioned that too!

I've started the reload, last thing I'm doing tonight.

Reload, take one (http://www.sgtflibble.co.uk/renders/reload-1.avi)

Still need to move some keyframes around, and add the bolt retraction, the mag in and bolt release.

Just realised the fault in the idle and draw, will fix those tomorrow.

Nice sten model.

British stuff is always good, check out my sig if you like the British stuff a lot ;)

well done

*twitch* must not go off about British weapons *twitch*

*twitch* must not go off about British weapons *twitch*aaaahhhhh leave him alone you big meanie!

lol I was meaning more the old "which weapons should the British have" argument. :D

Sten looks fine, one or two minor details wrong but nothing to lose sleep over.

Pretty high poly methinks, but I'm aiming for it to be quite smooth & have some internals and modeled springs.



Hopefully will replace that Thompson and I'm going to try and do some custom animations for it, making them as realistic as possible (e.g. not holding the magazine).

I'm thinking of modeling a Lee Enfield No. 4 HT to replace the Springfield.

High poly = GOOD!!
Create a normalmap from that highpoly, then make the "lowpoly" for use in the game.
This is what's been done lots in games, I hope you know what I am talking about.

I'm not sure but I don't think anyone who has made custom content for dods has tried this before.
I know pro's done it but not "amateurs" ;)

I'd like to see how this turns out.

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Also I don't know if it's been mentioned before, but I notice that the hand is on the barrel "shield" or how it's called.
If I recall correctly the most common use for this weapon was to hold the clip instead of the barrel "shield".

If I recall correctly the most common use for this weapon was to hold the clip instead of the barrel "shield".

Wrong. It was strictly forbidden and would earn you a b*llocking from your instructor or sergeant for doing it. Even the small arms training manual tells you not to do it. Holding a sten by the clip causes the rounds to feed incorrectly causing the mechanism to jam repeatedly.

Wrong. It was strictly forbidden and would earn you a b*llocking from your instructor or sergeant for doing it. Even the small arms training manual tells you not to do it. Holding a sten by the clip causes the rounds to feed incorrectly causing the mechanism to jam repeatedly.And yet as all good soldiers do, they completely forgot their training. Here's a nice combat photo during Market-Garden

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a7/British_paratroopers_in_Oosterbeek.jpg

LOL don't force me to post the dozens upon dozens of photos I have of British troops holding the sten by the magazine well ;) Now let's end the debate. Holding the heatshield from underneath is the proper way AND the best way.

High poly = GOOD!!
Create a normalmap from that highpoly, then make the "lowpoly" for use in the game.
This is what's been done lots in games, I hope you know what I am talking about.

I'm not sure but I don't think anyone who has made custom content for dods has tried this before.
I know pro's done it but not "amateurs" ;)

I'd like to see how this turns out.

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Also I don't know if it's been mentioned before, but I notice that the hand is on the barrel "shield" or how it's called.
If I recall correctly the most common use for this weapon was to hold the clip instead of the barrel "shield".

It's a nice thought, though there isn't much I could normal map on without it looking weird. Because of the extreme angle in the animations, things would look flat but still cast shadows due to the normal map and look odd. As for the animations, I'm going to try and do two sets, one holding the heat shield and one holding the mag.


I've started unwrapping. So far I've done the regular stock, the springs and the magazine. I'm thinking that instead of doing 6 different compiles for each different stock and animations, to just compile all of the stocks at once on each animation and use the no-draw command in the vmt.

And yet as all good soldiers do, they completely forgot their training. Here's a nice combat photo during Market-Garden

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a7/British_paratroopers_in_Oosterbeek.jpg

LOL don't force me to post the dozens upon dozens of photos I have of British troops holding the sten by the magazine well ;) Now let's end the debate. Holding the heatshield from underneath is the proper way AND the best way.

Sorry to continue on this.
It's just a matter of who uses this model ingame.
So if you like to play like probably most soldiers did, so most realistic way, then you should definately have this animation.

But if you like to do it by the book, which for some reason did not work in battle, you should choose for this.

I was told by an old guy who works at a museum and knows about this, that one really held it by the clip.

This is getting way of topic but just to re-iterate in your original post you said the most common use was to hold it by the mag I never said people didn't, I simply stated it was frowned upon by weapons instructors and explicitly adviced against in the weapons manual and it had a great tendancy to cause misfeeds and jams. Likewise, gripping the magazine reciever ran the risk of accidentaly pressing the magazine release and having it fall out.

You can hold it anyway you like when your walking/posing for cameras but when you actually have to fire it you should keep your hand well away from the mag.

Oh and in that pic their not holding it by the magazine, their holding it by the magazine reciever :P

Anyway, do as you will. I just prefer a Sten held like a weapon, not like a bicycle handlebar.

[sic]dozens upon dozens of photos I have of British troops holding the sten by the magazine well
:D You should know me better than that!

And truthfully, when actually AIMING the weapon, I have no doubt whatsoever it was held the PROPER way. The soldiers in those pics are in "traveling" mode. It was obviously more comfortable to "carry" the weapon like this, and you could fire from the hip really fast if you were surprised by the enemy. But it's no good when taking aimed shots or when you are prone on the ground. Why do I say this? Just imagine how uncomfortable trying to hold that weapon to you shoulder would be if you where holding by the magazine. It would be a VERY unnatural position for your wrist. It really wouldn't work at all.

However nobody can say (or imply) that the troops never carried the weapon like this.

Sorry for the lack of updates, I've been playing DoD quite a lot over the last few days. The animations are on hold, though not cancelled, and I'm just over half way through unwrapping, which is very dull and I'd rather be doing a hundred other things instead.

any updates?i think that a total British conversion is possibile,here a Bren!
http://www.fpsbanana.com/models/139