i am really pissed off. Our beauitful Custom Models are being ripped and modified for the use in Mohaa. I was going through alliedassault forums and came across about 3-4 threads with Custrom Dod weapons in them and the ****ed up bit is that they are telling ppl that they did them, themselves when in fact the have just got them from us. I know we take weapons from them but they are usually the default ones. Soem weapons are

Nomads Carbine
The kar98 with the cover thing over it
Bipod BAR

http://www.alliedassault.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=162591&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=m1%20carbine&start=0

I feel these ppl ripping these models are taking Credit for something they didnt do and it is very wrong and we need to say some-thing.

**Grabs Baseball Bat**

WHO IS WITH ME?????

(On the other hand i could be wrong)

Um actually, we're ripping stuff from MOH:AA for use in DOD.:D

But taking the credit for custom stuff is pretty bad.

ehh thats what i said. The stuff we do rip though is usually the default models and we all no that they are form Mohaa but the guy with the carbine has said nothing about getting it form dod.

It goes both ways man, grab a can of stfu and let whatever game it wants takes it course.

I´m with Veg here. We cannot complain about such a problem because DoD modellers and skinners are using Wolfenstein and MOHAA textures and models for their projects since months now. Giving correct credit is another topic though.

Originally posted by Rotkopf
I´m with Veg here. We cannot complain about such a problem because DoD modellers and skinners are using Wolfenstein and MOHAA textures and models for their projects since months now. Giving correct credit is another topic though.

yes but this is default textures/models. DoD Community dosnt take custom models from MOHAA and call it their own work.

Its not the ripping/porting thats the problem, its the fact they are potentially taking credit for the work themselves which is. Every MOH:AA model i see converted to DoD actually gives credit to EA/2015 at least, i expect to see the same basic courtesy when its the other way around!

I've ripped alot of Moh:aa stuff, but I have always gived credit where it's due.

I'm glad at least two of us have corrected them. Thanks, guys.

Guarnere "made" that. Pffft. Yeah, really.

Geuss its time to start ripping custom MOH models.....heh heh, jsut kidding, but maybe....maybe I will.

as i say in most of my readme's:


if you rip this model, ill rip you a new one

Veg and his followers, as previously stated it's not the work, it's the lack of credit for the modeler's hard work.

You've gotta love their sigs though
http://www.dodstudios.net/uploads/uploads/fuhrereatsbabies.jpg

well i don't mind people ripping people unless they give credit. But also on the second page someone says this "Well i helped Hobbs make that model ... and he cant release it...sorry."

Cool. Thanks for pointing that out. These people crave the praise of others, but now we made them look like the losers they are.

the whole point is, that they ripped somebodys hard-work. thats what the problem is here. now i can understand that we rip MOH models, but those are defaults, done by professionals. AND we have always given proper credit, thats like the basis of this MSA community.

"you make somethin, that involves anothers work, you must give proper credit to the original maker"

i dont EVER recall custom MOH models being ripped for DOD. and even worse, this guy plans on takin credit for that whole model and skin.

Originally posted by Russ. Conscript
the whole point is, that they ripped somebodys hard-work. thats what the problem is here. now i can understand that we rip MOH models, but those are defaults, done by professionals. AND we have always given proper credit, thats like the basis of this MSA community.

"you make somethin, that involves anothers work, you must give proper credit to the original maker"

i dont EVER recall custom MOH models being ripped for DOD. and even worse, this guy plans on takin credit for that whole model and skin.

Well said.

yes guys that is my point. Its not about the ripping its about the credit going to themselves for something the havent done.

This scares me even more...

Originally posted by guarnere:
Well i helped Hobbs make that model ... and he cant release it...sorry.

he cant release it cause he can't get the animations to match up.

becuase he's a no talent asswipe?

u hit the nail on the head devin.

Rippin defaults is fine, dev teams get paid well enoughts, but gettin CUSTOM work form the dod community to then make your lil ***** on mohaa forums!!

*Grabs his louisville slugger*

Time for discipline!

they got more asses over there atleast, (if you read on too page 4)

it does piss me off when hot shots like that say they made something they didnt. and you want to do something about it, like bomb theyr comp. but the laws will get them.

wow looking around their skins forums, guarnere also takes things from counterstrike, not giving credits.



edit: and hobbs


edit: hey guys, guarnere also took the RO luger w/o creds
http://www.alliedassault.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=160240

We should contact the mods over there and inform them of what's going on.

They are releasing stuff as their own work and not giving credits to the original authors. Even if they did give credit, they have to contact the authors of whatever they are releasing to see if it's okay with them.

problem is that guarnere IS a mod there

Taking credit for copyrighted models is worse than custom models. So big deal. Yea, they are *****. Oh well.

I'm sure he's not the only mod.

What you do does not reflect on what I do. The M1 Carbine model I made is a copywritten piece of work that is owned by me. You can't justify stealing things either way. I posted on their boards, so you guys can stop going there. Thank you for posting this though, that model is legitimately copywritten, like all the things in MOH:AA.

THis is preposterous...
assclowns.....
*grabs dads M1A and buttstrokes MOHAA credit stealing ******* people*

Originally posted by R3aveR

**Grabs Baseball Bat**

WHO IS WITH ME?????



Let's Go!

*Grabs pitchfork, torch, .30 Cal, and angry mob*

*receives call*

*takes his keys, gets into the garage, opens a locked storage closet, takes a big box in it, closes the door*

*opens the box*

*camera zooms around the room while metal sounds can be heard*

*pulls back the thompson bolt to make sure it doesnt jams*

"OK LEZ GO :cool: "

those *******s over there are also taking the models that we worked hard on and then giving them to other mods too. What F=ing pricks. Thank god we have at least a sense of community here, and moderators who actually care enough to do their jobs.

Anderson

There are already partisans there flaming exessively at guarnere and company that they're stealing credit from the DoD community. Well, lets live up to the readme.
*spray paints "Let's rip them a new one" on a banner and has biplane fly around*
*pulls RPG, Shotgun, Deagle, MP5, AK47, and Warthog minigun out of pants*
HL STYLE!

Do I get a cookie for being the first to complain on their forum? D:

Nope,

you got a whole damn cookie factory.........

I don't agree with what they are doing...I would like to hear some of the modellers opinions.

I have an idea....
If they continue to convert models and not give any credit for them, some of us could register there and start make "protest threads" to disrupt their forums.

If they continue to convert models without credit lets leave it up to the actual modellers to decide what to do.

oh yes, i have another idea....
Maybe gaurnere*sp* is registered here, considering its a DOD model he used.

^^
and if he is, ban his ass.

The amount of ripping that goes on over there is sickening. ive seen stuff form all over the place in those forums, being placed on/or converted for MOH weapons, and being claimed as thier own. everything from DOD to CS has been ripped. all i had to do was browse for a bit to see what was really going on over there.

and to think that a moderator was doing such things. what a jackass. im guessing because of him, and others, hes allowed members to rip skins and models without anyone stopping them.

here take a look at this thread.(http://www.alliedassault.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=163042) its hilarious, the guy gets caught in the act of ripping a skin on to the MOH garand (wich looked like complete **** with ''his'' skin on it anyway) and then tries to defend the fact that he ripped it by asking a moderator to lock it because he got ''mad''. and he never admitted to stealing it in the end. what a douche bag.

Btw GJ Inoxx, i remember you from the old forums (hot chick sigs woot) and its good your keeping these *******s in line. its funny how they all deny what innox says at first, until he pulls out the hard evidence.

That skin looked like ass on that garand anyway. Jesus ****ing christ, what a bunch of idiots over there. Someone should send them a letter, or do something. Make sure one of the head admins gets note of that.

Originally posted by HS The Whap
That skin looked like ass on that garand anyway. Jesus ****ing christ, what a bunch of idiots over there. Someone should send them a letter, or do something. Make sure one of the head admins gets note of that.

Hear hear!

I'm registering there now. Nothing better to do at 11PM.

Has anyone thought to contact EA itself? I'm pretty sure that **** is a violation of the EULA for BOTH Half-Life/DoD and MOH:AA.

And why doesn't Inoxx do more banning over there? **** I'd have shot down an assload of people over there by now. No one would wanna mess with me, would they?

http://www.alliedassault.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=473949#473949
pwned.

No doubt about it, that ******* over there go OWNED big time in that thread.

Talk about busted, Inoxx had him and he whined like a cat with its balls in a vice.

I backed you up Ben.

I think it would be good for both Electronic Arts and Half-Life to do something about customisations. Something like a data register of model as well as a DL base (:D) Including all the official Modelers, Skinners, Sounders, Animators.

Could probably help alot all the communities like us.

Afterall, if they were no *copy* Modelers, Skinners, Sounders, Animators. *paste* Games would be pretty limited :)

that was an entertaining read over there....jesus Im glad we dont have that **** going on...people flaming left and right and mods not doing anything about it and mods participating in the flaming...I feel dumber just having read some of the posts there. Heres to us DOD forum members.

Anderson

http://www.alliedassault.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=163090&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15

made my statement there

Hobbs is a raving lunatic. He says to post the copyrights of the models on the web, if he knew anything about modelling at all, it would be that models, as well as anything released on the internet that is the intelectual property of a person or group of people, is copyrighted by law. And he doesn't know how to spell n00bs, and yeah, never be argue with flamers, they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience(c). Overall, guarnere, who suprisingly is a moderator, closed the thread and said he won. When in fact only 3 people were backing his lies, and in reality we won the argument. I fear it won't rest here, but so far, we've won the battle now let's win us the war(c).

Just remember not to make an ass of your self by accident. keep your decency as we seem to be the only ones who have any.

Your representing the DOD community over there. give nothing but hard evidence, and valid argumnets, or you will look just as stupid as they are.

I just find it rather hilarious that MOHaa'ers find our Quake1/2 engine DoD models so far superior to the Quake3 engine MOH models that they steal them....

That really says something about the quality of DoD modellers. You guys are fighting past super crappy engine limitations and making better models than people with a better engine and more modeling options (not to mention the default models made by so-called professionals)....

In other words... YOU RAWK!

-Beckham

/me Turns on "Eye of the Tiger" and flips up the collar on his leather jacket

Lets get some damn evidence/whatnot and flood those ****ing boards!


Btw, im gonna register there and post some skins from outta HLMV to use as proof, once the oppurtunity arises.....all you should follow along.


I just got another idea, when we register, we could put some sorta -HL- or -DOD- tag in front of our names....ya know...to show our colors.

Originally posted by Cheeto
Has anyone thought to contact EA itself? I'm pretty sure that **** is a violation of the EULA for BOTH Half-Life/DoD and MOH:AA.

And why doesn't Inoxx do more banning over there? **** I'd have shot down an assload of people over there by now. No one would wanna mess with me, would they?

I reiterate.

^^

that could get seriously messy though

Looks like i have hit something hard here

luckly i had come across this :)

Jesus, I cant believe these guys. Is it so hard to understand that the real authors put a hell of alot of work into their skins and models. Instead these idiots have the nerve to start asking for a copyright number? Must be kids because this is just plain childish.

http://www.alliedassault.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=474114#474114



pwned?



yeah!!!! i ****ing think he got pwned.

I think that was already posted by Innoxx earlier, or am I going crazy :eek:

guarnere has quit .... LOL LOL LOL

Well i guess he has nothing

We truly have caused a stir over there ( GOOD )

We just hope he dosent coem here ( STARTS PRAYING )

Originally posted by R3aveR
guarnere has quit .... LOL LOL LOL

Well i guess he has nothing

We truly have caused a stir over there ( GOOD )

We just hope he dosent coem here ( STARTS PRAYING )

Good news, perhaps him and his little thieving buddies can make their own friggin models and skins now.

W00t.

I down and 1 more to go.


/me points at Hobbs and cracks knuckles


Cmon guys put on your leather jackets and flip up your collars.

http://www.geocities.com/davemachine2001/hasselhoff160.txt

I like what Jamil posted in one of those crazy threads, pasted from the "What is Copyright? (http://www.whatiscopyright.org/)" site. Since those forums are going too slow for me to bother signing up to post this, I figured I'd post it here so maybe somebody else posts it there [or something like what I'm about to say]. Also from the "What is Copyright? (http://www.whatiscopyright.org/)" site.

Public domain - not! When visiting a web site, it is so easy to click and save with a mouse button when one sees a graphic image that one likes, or to view the source code and copy part of or all of the HTML coding because one "likes the way this or that was done" or one "wants a similar layout", or to copy original writings because "that person expresses this or that so well". The general (and incorrect) notion is that anything that is on the internet is public domain and may be taken without permission from the creator/owner. Some people actually think (incorrectly) that just because bits of web pages may be stored in one's cache, or because certain browsers allow one to do "file save as" moves or anything similar one may use such material as one wishes. This is false.

Just because your driveway is not inside of your house, is it in the public domain? Does that give anybody off the street the right to stay on your driveway without your permission, even if they can see it from the street, or easily access it? The same basic principle applies to material published on the internet. Material found on the web may be copied freely only if the information is created by the (i) federal government, (ii) if the copyright has expired or (iii) the copyright has been abandoned by the holder. Therefore, "internet" and "public domain" are not synonymous. Any work published on the internet is not automatically placed it in the public domain, unless the material in question complies with one or more of the characteristics mentioned.

In a nutshell, that means copyrights only need legal registration if there's money involved. For custom DoD models, there is no money, but it's still intellectual property in the guise of art.

Mind you, I'm in violation of that guy's copyrights by pasting that in a non-printed medium, though it is for research and education.

It is also a legal concern to convert any property to be used in DoD, whether it be from a paid dev team or someone's free custom work. If you can see it, hear it, smell it or touch it, it's probably copyrighted.

The term, "copyright," is derived from the fact that the person who owns the copyright has the "right" to "duplicate" ["copy"] the intelectual property covered by said legal right. That was the original intention of that particular right. You own it, you can sell or otherwise distribute it however you want. To do that, you probably have to make copies.

The law is quite clear [and this isn't the first time I've seen it] in that you do NOT need to pay a registration fee in order to own intelectual property. However, that registration fee allows you to seek monetary remuneration for violations of the copyright you own should you so desire [and are able to build a convincing enough case that the violations damaged you and your rights to such a degree that monetary remuneration is the only possible comfort you can attain].

As an outside observer representing myself and not trying to get involved in any of this, I must say I think all the crap that's going on over there is pretty funny.

You've gotta love Hobbs, he's an idiot only making his writing sound serious:D

http://www.alliedassault.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=163117
We've been discovered!

Stealing custom stuff and taking credit for it is just pure evil.

Let's grab a hammer and bash their heads in!






;)

Grab the hammer, sickle, and every weapon from every Half-Life mod and let's teach them why a five year old game has a larger fanbase than every popular "modern" WWII game currently out.

I don't get it, why don't those dumb dumbs over there just give the rite copyrights/credits and acknowledgments, stop defending themselves?? Is it not that easy?? O_0

2ltben

Hsu and Chan

UUUUUUWAAAAAAAAAAHAAHAHA!

I agree with you all, stealing and not giving proper credit is the work of the devil.

But you guys are ok because when ever u use MOH stuff (ammo sprites for example) you give proper credit AND your not selling for profit.

im done posting over there, im done with these fools. they are all so.... whatever, im not gonna fight anymore, weve made our point, adn if they do it again, ill be sure to drop in again.

gg guys.

Originally posted by Ralfst3r
Stealing custom stuff and taking credit for it is just pure evil.

Let's grab a hammer and bash their heads in!






;)

Originally posted by Russ. Conscript
^^

that could get seriously messy though

How so? Whereas we can just threaten and say 'you should do this' EA can actually force the website to either close the threads or close everything. EA has much larger legal muscle than we do, and if VALVe gets into it (I think it's somwhere in the EULA that they'll help protect your IP rights) then that's two companies with teams of lawyers to tell these guys to follow the laws of the land.

Oh, hey wolf. I noticed after I posted that the webpage did not want to have any of its information mirrored elsewhere. I tried to edit my post, but I couldn't. I'm infringing to prove a point against infringing. Damn. :P

Just look at the bottom of the page.

Hello hello. This place is a ***** to get into :p. I've been regularly browsing those forums for a year and a half. It used to be such a cool place. Now, it's a total shathole as many of you have seen. Which is why I registered here.

innoxx! ur back :D

and back with the fine ass sigs i see too...:p

Originally posted by Innoxx
Hello hello. This place is a ***** to get into :p. I've been regularly browsing those forums for a year and a half. It used to be such a cool place. Now, it's a total shathole as many of you have seen. Which is why I registered here.

/me pays respect for the sig :D

Guarnere said:

Stop with the talking amongst yourselves and why not talk to me

It's our right to discuss this amongst ourselves. It's our community and it concerns us.

While much of the bluster that's been caused on the MoH:AA forums has been quite heated and hasty, not all of us are thus.

The material was ripped from this community. The material was made for this community; for this mod. The material belongs to this community; to this mod. You removed it from this community and took it to your own without consent.

I can understand you have a sense of power in that community, but I can also see why YOU don't bring the discussion to US. You would be out of your element coming here, as we would be out of ours by going there.

YOU crossed both a written and an unwritten boundary. YOU may come to US and appologize.

Well, i guess i was the one doing most of the pointless spamming and other general stupid ****. Anyawy, i'll stop acting like a jackass.

GJ guys.

it pains me even more that guarnere is a mod. even the higher ranked are corrupt.:mad:

Believe it or not but he did release a lot of good ORIGINAL mods. Then he kinda went downhill from there.

Originally posted by Innoxx
Believe it or not but he did release a lot of good ORIGINAL mods. Then he kinda went downhill from there.

from what i have read you seem to be in the minority of descent human beings over there :|

Originally posted by Monkey Lib Front
from what i have read you seem to be in the minority of descent human beings over there :|
Yup, kinda sad eh?

Originally posted by Innoxx
Yup, kinda sad eh?

Indeed :D

Originally posted by ilikecheese123
it pains me even more that guarnere is a mod. even the higher ranked are corrupt.:mad:

Im far from corrupt at alliedassault.com :)

Originally posted by gerard
Indeed :D

MICKEY! ^this guy, decent^

.....i got pwned

...NO wait, the DOD community got pwned. Anyway, what a little baby, he's trying to turn it into DOD vs. Mohaa.

Look at MY sig towards the bottom of the last page.
PWNED!!111one (http://www.alliedassault.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=474727#474727)

that was almost clever. gj.

I'm glad we have moderators because A.) They can't register without an ISP or commercial E-mail(some ISPs don't even give you e-mails without paying extra, like mine:( ) and B.) We have tough-as-...crap... moderators who can be close-happy if provoked and or poked with a stick.

After being around to other forums, it seems that we take for granted what we have here. I salute you Moderators.

Originally posted by Innoxx
MICKEY! ^this guy, decent^
HEY! whats up my aa.com fellows =D
what some of you dod guys dont know is that guarnere has a legion of loyal fans who worship his work, which may explain why there was alot of hostility coming at you;)

Hehe, well the modelers who made those models has an army of fans, thats why theres many who go there and defend em ;)

Alright, this is Guarnere from AA.com. What I meant by "Stop with the talking amongst yourselves and why not talk to me..." was talk to me person to person on MSN or AIM, ill be more than happy to work this out like normal human beings and not just post on eachothers forums about how much they got 'pwned'.

MSN: heer_soldat@hotmail.com

AIM: im not chino


Thanks,

Dave

I have an idea.

Talk to the modellers in the community (through PM,IRC or any other means) since they are the ones you need to talk to. I'm pretty sure they would let you release/use there models if you gave them credit and got all the other converters over at AA.com to post credits as well, kinda like setting an example.

That would be perfect...is there anyway you can give me there info?

Tks

That was very decent of you, Dave. Thank you for coming. I probably will drop you a message some time.

Hopefully things will cool off a little more, now. Or at least soon. I know the impact on the AA.com forums has been quite traumatic for many.

I personally don't care for the misinterpretation that has this unfortunate discussion labeled as "a DoD vs MoH:AA war." That's not what it is. It's about respect between customizers, no matter what the game is that's being customized.

I'll talk to you later.