I posted this in general because I'd like a fast reply.

I'd really like to remake dod_jadg, my favorite map four dod Source, my only concern is it might already be planed for release.

Can anyone confirm if dod_jadg will be remade by Valve?

Me and my friend will be doing this, we are both not new to mapping.

Thanks.

Well since the Brits arn't planned for Source (as far as I've gathered) and it's not a super popular map I think it's a pretty safe no.

They might just be releasing flash and ava, but I have no clue about that.

there's no word on that - you may want to contact whoever made the map to see if they are planning an update to dod_jagd.

Do it anyway, make any adjustments you like, track down whoever made it, and talk to them about it. At worst make enough adjustments and call it "dod_jagged". Might be illegal, but you don't have to release it.

Illegal:rolleyes:

It's all going towards DoD, the game we love.

I do have a few adjustments I'd like to make, and yes I'll probably rename the map to jagged.

Maybe if it's good enough and I can get concent from the creator it can become an official DoD source map:p

Some people just need to learn to read...

Brits aren't in DoD: Source YET! They are surely going to make out the new version, it's just that in hte new version they aren't already coded into the game.

As for remaking dod_jagd, wait for the final version to come or remake it with another name.

Also, try to contact IR, he is the creator of the map, and here (http://www.dayofdefeat.net/forums/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=1256) is his profile.

Good luck! I love jagd too.

IR is watching this section right now...

Well IR, I'll be pming you soon.

I also would be replacing the brits with americans..not really a problem?

Originally posted by atamaca
I also would be replacing the brits with americans..not really a problem?

In other news, Valve announces that as well as a version of DoD:S for Europe without Swastikas and other Nazi emblems, they will also being releasing a special edition for the North American market.

The US domestic version will be devoid of any other allied nation, feature player models based on digital scans of Tom Hanks and feature the additional voice binds, "Brits suck!" and "AMERICA #1 KTHX TOUCHDOWN"

Originally posted by Trp. Jed
In other news, Valve announces that as well as a version of DoD:S for Europe without Swastikas and other Nazi emblems, they will also being releasing a special edition for the North American market.

The US domestic version will be devoid of any other allied nation, feature player models based on digital scans of Tom Hanks and feature the additional voice binds, "Brits suck!" and "AMERICA #1 KTHX TOUCHDOWN"
Hey Jed, BREATHE!

Do us a favor... I know it's difficult for you... but please, stay here, and try not to do anything... stupid.

Anyway, WHAT IS THE GODAMN FREAKING PROBLEM YOU GUYS HAVE AGAINST THE BRITS??!!!!111 AAAAAARRRRGH!!!11

/me explodes of angriness.

Originally posted by Trp. Jed

The US domestic version will be devoid of any other allied nation, feature player models based on digital scans of Tom Hanks and feature the additional voice binds, "Brits suck!" and "AMERICA #1 KTHX TOUCHDOWN"

In unrelated news, talks among the German Day of Defeat: Source players would like to point out the majority of American players are bar :crown::crown::crown::crown::crown:s.

Originally posted by Trp. Jed
In other news, Valve announces that as well as a version of DoD:S for Europe without Swastikas and other Nazi emblems, they will also being releasing a special edition for the North American market.

The US domestic version will be devoid of any other allied nation, feature player models based on digital scans of Tom Hanks and feature the additional voice binds, "Brits suck!" and "AMERICA #1 KTHX TOUCHDOWN"

Ahahahahahah

Shouldn't this be in the mapping section? :confused:

Het atamaca, has IR answered yet to your pm?

No he hasen't

sadface

Hate to kill your dreams, dude, but I don't think he's going to give you permission to remake his map.

Dunno what's up with this people, they come here, read one thread and then leave...

Don't flame me, but I hate when people don't pay too much attention at things...

Zao why do you say that?

random bit of trivia:

"jagd" means "hunt" in german.

so... yeah...

Originally posted by atamaca
Zao why do you say that?

If you had taken months out of your life to design and build a map from the ground up, enlisted the aid of your buddies to make all the necessary textures and models, had the good fortune to have it included in a product that's sold on shelves, and had a good shot at it being included in another retail product--would you give someone permission to essentially copy your map (and possibly do a lousy job of it in the process) and slap their own name on it for credit?

Moved to Mapping. From now on, Atamaca, anything that can be answered via PM, do so that way rather than making a new thread. If you absolutely have to post a thread about it, please do so in the proper forum. Posting stuff in General just to "get a fast reply" is not the way to do things. You may get a fast reply, but that doesn't mean you'll get the right one.

As for why I don't think IR would be too eager to let you take over the resonsibility for remaking one of his maps that has gone retail, I would give the following reasons.
1) VALVe bought the rights to it, they own it.
2) If I made a map like that, I wouldn't trust somebody else to redo it. I'd only trust my own skills for something like that. And what Rob said. It's just the way things go, really.

All that being said, from what I understand, there's nothing to stop you from making a jagd clone, or port. You could just be sued for an intellectual property violation :) It's also not the respectful and aesthetic thing to do. Best leave it to IR and make your own, original map. If you absolutely have to make a jagd clone, maybe make a continuation of the themes played out in that map. Maybe Jagd2?

I strongly suggest you make your own map.

Be original and create your own map.

If you and your friend are not new to mapping like you have stated, then this shouldn't be a problem.


Keep us updated

theres a new remake thread every day ;'<

Valve owns the map. Look at how many people copied dust and aztec and the like.... these are all owned by Valve. So, while I disagree with the idea of re-making and copying somebody elses work, I would say it is pretty safe for you to do so...

Originally posted by Zao
Moved to Mapping. From now on, Atamaca, anything that can be answered via PM, do so that way rather than making a new thread. If you absolutely have to post a thread about it, please do so in the proper forum. Posting stuff in General just to "get a fast reply" is not the way to do things. You may get a fast reply, but that doesn't mean you'll get the right one.



^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

okay so you post in the general forums wanting a quick reply and yet 99.9999% of people who frequent the general forums have nfi about anything map related......

you would have been better posting straight in the mapping forums....

There are 50 different versions of cs_assault....wouldn't the same idea hold true for a DoD map?

What I mean is, if someone took the basis of jagd, and changed it, wouldn't that be considered a new map?

As long as you give the original creator the credit in the .txt file, shouldn't that be okay? I see it all the time: "Special thanks to Slim McMapster for making the original version of dod_supermega. Without him, dod_supermega_city wouldn't be possible"

I mean, cs_assault_upc is the SAME base map as original assault, but with a few changes/additions. I guess I don't quite understand where the copyright laws come into play.

if you want to be totally sure, email somebody at valve...

There about 7 versions of assualt.
5 versions of train
3 versions of nuke
4 versions of militia.

I really don't think Valve care if you copy their maps. Just make jagd and put americans in because brit-german railgun wars are so boring.

I always thought you could use any Valve content in your own maps.

Vale went a bit lame when CZ came out but apart from that we got official news stating we could use CS, DoD, HL and TFC stuff in any map we made.

This should also mean you can take any official map and use it as Valve own it not the mapper.

Very different to taking someones custom DoD 1.3 map and converting it to DoD:S though.

jed said it all... I mean why have brits and other allies?? everyone knows that the US of A won dah war by themselves!

In relation with the people who wanted IR to reply: I don't think that's going to happen soon... IR has been not-active for a very long while.

Succes though. :PARROT:

Originally posted by Trp. Jed
In other news, Valve announces that as well as a version of DoD:S for Europe without Swastikas and other Nazi emblems, they will also being releasing a special edition for the North American market.

The US domestic version will be devoid of any other allied nation, feature player models based on digital scans of Tom Hanks and feature the additional voice binds, "Brits suck!" and "AMERICA #1 KTHX TOUCHDOWN"

rofl.

:crown:

no released date on that? can we get John Wayne scans instead

no, but all classes will be named after SPR (Pvt. Jackson - Sniper, Cpt. John Miller - Thompson, Sgt. Horvath - Carbine etc etc) and all germans will be running around with their hands in the air shouting "look, I washed my hands!"

Originally posted by SwedeIndeed
no, but all classes will be named after SPR (Pvt. Jackson - Sniper, Cpt. John Miller - Thompson, Sgt. Horvath - Carbine etc etc) and all germans will be running around with their hands in the air shouting "look, I washed my hands!"

Joining the German side would also mean you were unable to hit the broadside of a barn with a deployed MG42 or any weapon.

If you did manage to hit an Allied soldier, the damage would be reversed and you would die to make things seem good.

Not to beat a dead horse in the DoD forum, but there are at least 20 versions of cs_assault. I ran 15 versions on my server alone.

The whole point was that since we are not profitting from recreating maps, it would seem that as long as we give the original creator(s) credit for a map, there doesn't seem to be any problems with modifying them and calling them by a new name.

I could really care less about copy right laws.

I just wanted to know if the creator (IR) had plans on recreating it, because I didn't want to make a source version clone.

That's all :)

Originally posted by Ginger Lord
Joining the German side would also mean you were unable to hit the broadside of a barn with a deployed MG42 or any weapon.

If you did manage to hit an Allied soldier, the damage would be reversed and you would die to make things seem good.

Watch out for Uncle Sam!:eek:

atamaca, try mailing IR if you want to ask him otehrwise do a similar map with the americans and put in the things you like from Jagd.. just give it a new name and maybe mention in the credits that it's inspired by jagd..

Look you can take all the things u like about jagd, and make a completely different map. You like blowing up tanks? Make some tanks to blow up! Make ten or twenty of em if u like. You like retrieving documents? Make some! Why why why would you want to redo an official map??? That defeats the purpose of it being a CUSTOM MAP.

Oh, and i'm officially requesting that the Canadian Dod version have a tim horton's donut instead of that silly allied star, and a hockey stick as the melee weapon.

Originally posted by Bocasean
I ran 15 versions on my server alone.

All at once? If so, Why? :rolleyes:

Well, I'll try to keep this response in some relation to the thread, but cs_assault was a popular theme with our clan guys. The subtle differences of cs_city_assault versus cs_assault_noc versus cs_assault_die gave for enough variation of a common theme that it didn't get repetitive. People knew the basics of the map, but enjoyed the slight twists and turns that each new map offered. It may seem like alot, but I load up my servers with a ton of maps, so 15 out of 300 doesn't quite seem as bad in comparison.

The same holds true for DoD. I feel that many maps can and should be remade into new custom models. A good example of this is dod_cr44. Between the multiple versions of that map, along with dod_saints, dod_kettle, etc...you can see that some maps have a strong following. While it's not a personal favorite of mine, if people do enjoy the style of that map, then they probably love the variations of the same theme.

In many respects, I love seeing altered versions of common maps as much as I do totally new maps. It's just cool to notice the creative changes in a well-known map while you're playing it. Another good example of this is cs_italyrip, which had ladders going up on the roofs of the entire map, and the sky didn't block player movement or firing. Just by adding some roof battling to the map, it changed the whole dynamic of gameplay for Italy, which at the time was an old, played-out map.

So I guess the long-winded point is that modified maps is one of the coolest things about online gaming. The mapping community can keep the gameplay fresh for years. I hope if you do make a Source version, Atamaca, that you add your own ideas to IR's original design. Not only because the original design belongs to him, but also for the simple sake of variety.

IR isnt in-active he's just damn busy ;)

donner was a remake of thunder, which it took me a while to realise. it's almost the same layout, and all the same buildings are there. you could do something like that, where a whole different set of textures are used, and some of the layout is changed around. when i was planning my first and only dod map, dod_bayeux, i drew one side of the map, and instead of having the other side totally symmetrical, i just flipped some of the turns in the road 180 degrees while keeping the distances all the same, so you could do something like that aswell

Yeah, but both Donner and Thuner were made by the same mapper, Xerent. Big difference.