I've been wanting to do a reskin of the mp40 for a loooong time so I got around to it today.

pic: http://dodstuff.houstondod.com/images/mp4000.jpg


download at my site:

http://dodstuff.houstondod.com


give me feedback on my skin job because it was the first time i used that form on style on my models.

nice, will be using it

err, thats just a slight edit on the original skin, come with something non-polluted!

that skin is horrible.. sorry.

bots comment has some merit. it looks as if its been sitting at the bottom of the ocean for 50 years. it looks not good.

doubleing the skin from 256 to 512 just makes it look worse. its basically stretching the default skin to somthing its not made to be. add the distortion and about-to-fall-apart look and you get somthing which looks rediculous.

we all know i'm the last person to judge other's skins, seeing how the only skin i ever tried to release sucked a horriable ass, but this gun looks like stone.

the reason it looks bad is because you have highlights on both sides of the more 3d areas. You're going to want to clean it up rather than scratch the hell out of it. :)

Originally posted by Sargent. Smash
the reason it looks bad is because you have highlights on both sides of the more 3d areas. You're going to want to clean it up rather than scratch the hell out of it. :)

What do you expect when you are in war? a nice shinny perfect and scratchless gun?

WISKAS it looks awesome dude!
Remember when we were dominating in IOS?
OK BYE

im talking about the highlights if you actually understood my post. The definition of all of those scratches is quite high plus as i said before there isn't normally 2 sided highlights. I never said the gun was bad i said the effect that the other people didn't like was created by the reasons i mentioned.

New and improved?


Doesn't look new to me :D

it seems as if you sharpened the textures alot?

I don't know, it has a certain appeal among all those, brand-spanking new skins we have been used to...

GJ...

supa dupa looking, keep it up

Honestly guys, do we have to insult people's work like that? It may seem 'noobish' or 'just a simple edit' to you but people starting out doing this have to do simple things and they may not look 'uber leet' like your stuff does.

Instead of flaming him for it, why not say "Hey, thats nice for your first job, but here is what I don't like about it: (in a civilized manner) and here is what you can do to improve:

The boards need more custom editors because the demand seems a lot larger now than the supply can keep up with.

we dont need more editors. we need more modelers/meshers. we have plenty of poeple here who can skin, but only some can model, and even a smaller amount can mesh.

Well I meant editors in the broadest sense, modellers, sound makers, sprite makers, meshers, skinners, mappers, that sort of deal

Originally posted by Die Schlampfe
Honestly guys, do we have to insult people's work like that? It may seem 'noobish' or 'just a simple edit' to you but people starting out doing this have to do simple things and they may not look 'uber leet' like your stuff does.

Instead of flaming him for it, why not say "Hey, thats nice for your first job, but here is what I don't like about it: (in a civilized manner) and here is what you can do to improve:

The boards need more custom editors because the demand seems a lot larger now than the supply can keep up with.

lol, i dodnt even think its bad. look very good to me. if you look closly, and i agree, too much flaming.

Looks good , by no means bad. It would really fit an Eastern Front mod , with the snow and such.

PS- Its OODLES better than what i could do. Thats right OODLES.

poor guy :/

Sorry dude, better than nothing

Damn you fellas are harsh. Taste is a matter of perception, I think he did a fine job of making it look worn, I will try ingame.

I like the edges, how it looks like the corners have been warn off from hitting the ground alot.



Off-topic, what happened to all the old skiners and modelers like polygon and ender?

Let's see, first of all, let's tackle the skin.

What's it got? It's dirtied up a lot, it's darker. Not bad things, at all.

However, Whiskas, I would recommend you tone down the white wear and scratches on the skin. It's technically sound, but you could get away with reducing the sharpness/brightness of the scratches while retaining the wear and tear feel.


Now, as for the rest of you. I can understand if someone feels that the skin is no good, or ugly. I've seen (and made) some really terrible skins before. However, the best policy is to shut up if you don't have any helpful comments.

Die Schlampfe got it right, it may be simple or ugly to you, but dammit, everyone starts out that way. You're never gonna see any of my early work, not in a million years. Stuff will make your eyes bleed, let me tell you. But it's how I started... and I got better.

I dig this skin a LOT, and I like that someone's trying something new, different, and creative. :D

Good job.

I have no problem with the skin what so ever and it is better then any skin I could do or some of the skins I have seen to date. I didn't see anyone flaming Glimmy's MP40 skin back in 3.1. It had white scratches and such and I will tell you that it was the best damn skin I seen for the MP40. I never used another after it's release.

I like. I use. :)

my fav part of the skin, is the magazine and up to the barrel, il ike that section...but bwehind that looks iffy to me, but hey whisk :) i couldnt do better, but gj, ill prolyl use, cause i think it fits

I like it, and am using it.

To be honest, I never liked the default MP40, it looks very small and goofy looking.

This one looks much better, IMO.

it looks very nice ingame
gj

I LOVE IT MAN!!! ITS AMAZING!!! Actually, I just finished playing with it, and its super good looking. The mp40 is my favorite axis gun. This skin makes it so much cooler. Keep up the good work!

I'm using this one too gj
looks much better ingame then on that pic

all he did was darken and sharpen the hell out of the default skin.. I can do that 5 minutes.

Not to be a jerk or anything bots... BUT WHY DIDN'T YOU DO IT? The fact of the matter is, is that he bothered to make a skin in the first place. and you didn't LOL! If that makes any sense. Im not really sure.

Lets all clap for Bots because he's so much better than everyone else! :rolleyes:

But honestly, just because you can do something in no time, doesn't mean the next person can as well, and doesn't make you better than them.

I can whip up some sounds really quickly when some people can take days to get the same effect. The only reason I continue to do sounds for these boards is the welcoming nature of the sound forum goers, who showed supportive criticism instead of 'OMG that sucks! I can do that in 2 seconds, newbie!' :rolleyes:

Whiskas. The skin is fine, its just a wee bit too sharp. I can relate to your sig. On krafstoff, i killed 5 germans in a row with buttsmack. Then i stole an mg34 from the last one i killed, and killed 3 more. Until i was owned with sidestep kar. It was the ****.

everyone is not insulting "his work" because 98% of what you see was not made by him

Originally posted by Bots
all he did was darken and sharpen the hell out of the default skin.. I can do that 5 minutes.
then let's see you do it jackass!:rolleyes:

Originally posted by Safeh
everyone is not insulting "his work" because 98% of what you see was not made by him
WHAT?! all we want is a reskin of hte gun jackass! if it ends up in darkening it and adding scratches then good for him! i like it. the default one looks like a plastic gun rather than a peice of metal! This skin makes it look better! why do u want 98% of it different?! that's just retarded! You want him to replace it with a m16 or something? A reskin's a reskin and tha't all it is!!:rolleyes:

Originally posted by DEVILDOG
then let's see you do it jackass!:rolleyes:


Bots has done a lot more impressive work than a recolor. Id suggest you shut your mouth, challenging one of the best skinners for DoD, buddy.

point is, 99% of what is seen isnt his work. It should be displayed as a skin recolor or edit, not as if you re-textued the gun from scratch. Personally, im not down with slamming somones work but all we see here is extreamly oversharpned texture...its somthing everyone could do hence why people say its nothing special, and they are right. What really sickens me isnt the texture but the sheer lack of inteligence in many of these replies, things are starting to get more and more like another half life mod we all know as the days pass....i think thats why you see less and less of the talented people utilizing there skills for DoD...really is ashame :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Cs42886
Not to be a jerk or anything bots... BUT WHY DIDN'T YOU DO IT? The fact of the matter is, is that he bothered to make a skin in the first place. and you didn't LOL! If that makes any sense. Im not really sure.
Originally posted by DEVILDOG
then let's see you do it jackass!:rolleyes:

See, if you guys had just been on the DOD forums before 1.0 there wouldn't be any need for me to show you this, but being that you're new here, I'm just going to have to let you choke on it.
I especially shocked about cs42886, weren't you on the dodmod.com forums? I can't believe you didn't remember I made this.

http://students.washington.edu/jnilsen/mp40.jpg
http://students.washington.edu/jnilsen/mp40ingame.jpg
haven't converted this to 1.0 yet btw.. these are shots from 3.1.



Model - Marksman
Skin - ME

Originally posted by Bots
all he did was darken and sharpen the hell out of the default skin.. I can do that 5 minutes.


first off, that is not what i did. secondly nobody cares how long it would have taken you to do that, and you surely wouldn't come up with the same results. and finally showing pics of your skin because you *need* too on a thread thats about my release is pretty low. not to mention you have to put 'ME' in bold and capital letters just to emphasize your conceitedness. next time you want to comment about other peoples work, save us the crap and just stay quiet.

what I posted has nothing to do with your release... someone requested that I do better than you, so I showed them. Why don't you just save us the crap and don't bother posting crap like this? The only reason people like this is for sheer lack of anything better.

I knew this would happen though... what can you expect from a hl mod that just went commercial.

I was meerly stating that your skin is not incredibly hard to duplicate, and that people were ****ting their pants over it for nothing. it's not that great whiskas, so step of your soap box, and work on your skinning technique.

The only reason I even bothered to expend so much energy in displaying my skill in the first place is to get respect from this community. Now that dod has gone retail, there's all these people who don't know who I am anymore so I've got to make my reputation all over again. I'm not saying I'm any better than you, but you could've put a lot more time into your skin before releasing it. Just because these forums are new, doesn't mean the quality bar fell from where it was on the old forums... there are other things in photoshop besides the sharpen filter.

FFS. Close this thread already.

yeah it is getting out of hand isn't it. People need to learn to respect seasoned members of this community, I reckon.

I dont know what those guys were talking about, I think it looks amazing! Great work Whiskas!

close it. great release, close it.

Bots...you seem to be talking an awful lot about respect....so maybe you should start showing other people some. Just a thought. Oh, and another thing....Just because you "Are a season skinner, etc." doesn't mean you deserve this "Great reputation", good god you are so full of yourself...get over it, bud.

For your info guys, Whiskas is one of the best custom modelers,skinners out there so when you comment please make it constructive and don't say "its ugly,it sucks" I'd prefer the default mp40 skin to this one not because I don't like it but because I think the default mp40 skin is fine and doesn't need changing. For the guys who said the mp40 was ugly check out Whiskas' site and his other works. You will want to eat you words :)

Bots your sig should be "The Big EGOswki."

Bots, I think you do some awesome work, we never bashed anything you do in your skinning. Let me propose a question if I may, did you start out skinning instantly as good as you are now?

More than likely you didn't. Skill comes with experience. So what if he created a skin that is simple for you to reproduce. You've done such things before and its relatively simple for you.

I've been on the boards since 2.0 but all I did on the old ones was read. I've seen a lot of your work and I think its great, but dude you're not some king or god to be worshiped.

All I'm saying is, you 'seasoned veterans' need to learn to use a word thats not in your vocabulary...lets see..help? the new people with helpful constructive comments instead of this garbage that you're posting.

In all honestly, if you want me, or anyone else to respect you, get off your high horse, and try being helpful next time. Just a thought.

^ Amen.

Alright alright. I just don't get how people can be so impressed with this skin... I've seen better.

Oh ****! I totally forgot about your mp40 Bots. I actually was using it in 3.1 for a little while, until I had to reformat my computer. You ought to re-release it. I liked it.

I've seen better too Bots, all I'm asking is for you guys to be more helpful and offer suggestions instead of bashing it.

I agree. I never would have kept making sprites had everyone kept insulting them. I hope you guys like them though.

1st off, u shouldnt show YOUR accomplishes in someone elses thread.

2nd alot of people were being meanies, dinosaurs eat meanis, so watch it, RAWR!!!

3rd, i like the skin whiskas did, it looks like a "I'm all busted up and worn cause i killed lot of foos in many battles" mp40 :p

whiskas, i love you!

Originally posted by Bots
See, if you guys had just been on the DOD forums before 1.0 there wouldn't be any need for me to show you this, but being that you're new here, I'm just going to have to let you choke on it.
I especially shocked about cs42886, weren't you on the dodmod.com forums? I can't believe you didn't remember I made this.

http://students.washington.edu/jnilsen/mp40.jpg
http://students.washington.edu/jnilsen/mp40ingame.jpg
haven't converted this to 1.0 yet btw.. these are shots from 3.1.



Model - Marksman
Skin - ME
sorry but that gun's a peice of ****! it looks like plastic!! no offence!:rolleyes:

Originally posted by DEVILDOG
sorry but that gun's a peice of ****! it looks like plastic!! no offence!:rolleyes:

Originally posted by Bots
what I posted has nothing to do with your release... someone requested that I do better than you, so I showed them. Why don't you just save us the crap and don't bother posting crap like this? The only reason people like this is for sheer lack of anything better.

I knew this would happen though... what can you expect from a hl mod that just went commercial.

I was meerly stating that your skin is not incredibly hard to duplicate, and that people were ****ting their pants over it for nothing. it's not that great whiskas, so step of your soap box, and work on your skinning technique.

The only reason I even bothered to expend so much energy in displaying my skill in the first place is to get respect from this community. Now that dod has gone retail, there's all these people who don't know who I am anymore so I've got to make my reputation all over again. I'm not saying I'm any better than you, but you could've put a lot more time into your skin before releasing it. Just because these forums are new, doesn't mean the quality bar fell from where it was on the old forums... there are other things in photoshop besides the sharpen filter. Better?!! HA!! HIs gun outdoes yours by a mile!! like i siad yours looks like plastic!!:rolleyes:

Devildog, lets keep the posts constructive please. Bots has seemed to relent on his bashing now, you need to do the same.

Originally posted by Bots
See, if you guys had just been on the DOD forums before 1.0 there wouldn't be any need for me to show you this, but being that you're new here, I'm just going to have to let you choke on it.
I especially shocked about cs42886, weren't you on the dodmod.com forums? I can't believe you didn't remember I made this.

http://students.washington.edu/jnilsen/mp40.jpg
http://students.washington.edu/jnilsen/mp40ingame.jpg
haven't converted this to 1.0 yet btw.. these are shots from 3.1.
what I posted has nothing to do with your release... someone requested that I do better than you, so I showed them. Why don't you just save us the crap and don't bother posting crap like this? The only reason people like this is for sheer lack of anything better.

I knew this would happen though... what can you expect from a hl mod that just went commercial.

I was meerly stating that your skin is not incredibly hard to duplicate, and that people were ****ting their pants over it for nothing. it's not that great whiskas, so step of your soap box, and work on your skinning technique.

The only reason I even bothered to expend so much energy in displaying my skill in the first place is to get respect from this community. Now that dod has gone retail, there's all these people who don't know who I am anymore so I've got to make my reputation all over again. I'm not saying I'm any better than you, but you could've put a lot more time into your skin before releasing it. Just because these forums are new, doesn't mean the quality bar fell from where it was on the old forums... there are other things in photoshop besides the sharpen filter.
Man how can u be criticizing his work?! his far outdoes yours by a mile!! that pic you showed of your mp40 looks like a piece of crap and just looks like a plastic toygun!!:rolleyes: He may just touched up the default skin, but i still say it's a hell of a lot better than your plastic watergun! "Best skinner in the mod community" my ass!!:rolleyes:
EDIT: Sorry but i dont' see how his work is any better! Whiskas might of just done a retouch to the default skin but it's still a LOT better than Bot's crappy ass water pistol!! I've been playing dod for over a year now so just because he's been playing since the beginning doesn't mean he's better than anybody else! That's like saying the Americans didnt' help in WW2 & 1 because they weren't there since hte beginning and they're just cutting in on the glory!! Stop being full of yourself!!

Originally posted by DEVILDOG
Better?!! HA!! HIs gun outdoes yours by a mile!! like i siad yours looks like plastic!!:rolleyes:

whatever dude... just keep telling yourself that. The only reason you're able to justify what you're saying now is because I've proved you wrong, and to change your mind would betray your original stance. Before you ridicule my skin why don't you take you're own advice and and make a better skin than mine.
Honestly though, I really don't care what you think, and you can be happy using whatver replacement you like regardless. However, if you can't skin, I suggest you refrain from making debased criticism, otherwise how can anyone take you seriously.
You remind me of the chinese government officials during Mao Zedong's "Great Leap Forward" campaign, telling farmers how to farm when they have no knowledge of farming themselves. In otherwords, you can't tell me my skin is crap unless you can skin yourself.

Originally posted by DEVILDOG
Man how can u be criticizing his work?! his far outdoes yours by a mile!! that pic you showed of your mp40 looks like a piece of crap and just looks like a plastic toygun!!:rolleyes: He may just touched up the default skin, but i still say it's a hell of a lot better than your plastic watergun! "Best skinner in the mod community" my ass!!:rolleyes:
EDIT: Sorry but i dont' see how his work is any better! Whiskas might of just done a retouch to the default skin but it's still a LOT better than Bot's crappy ass water pistol!! I've been playing dod for over a year now so just because he's been playing since the beginning doesn't mean he's better than anybody else! That's like saying the Americans didnt' help in WW2 & 1 because they weren't there since hte beginning and they're just cutting in on the glory!! Stop being full of yourself!!

you're fighting way too hard for something you didn't even do my friend.. give it a rest.

Honestly guys, Devildog, Bots tried to drop it and you're continuing it. Please refrain from bashing his work because you're only making yourself look like a fool.

Originally posted by Die Schlampfe
Honestly guys, Devildog, Bots tried to drop it and you're continuing it. Please refrain from bashing his work because you're only making yourself look like a fool.
Drop it?! I already said that I dont' see how he can be criticizing!! I WOULD of "dropped it" had u kept your mouth shut! I'm just stickign up for the guy because i don't see how this so called "best skinner" has the right to bash him!! I'll shut up form now on IF YOU shutup!! agreed?!:rolleyes:

Originally posted by Bots
whatever dude... just keep telling yourself that. The only reason you're able to justify what you're saying now is because I've proved you wrong, and to change your mind would betray your original stance. Before you ridicule my skin why don't you take you're own advice and and make a better skin than mine.
Honestly though, I really don't care what you think, and you can be happy using whatver replacement you like regardless. However, if you can't skin, I suggest you refrain from making debased criticism, otherwise how can anyone take you seriously.
You remind me of the chinese government officials during Mao Zedong's "Great Leap Forward" campaign, telling farmers how to farm when they have no knowledge of farming themselves. In otherwords, you can't tell me my skin is crap unless you can skin yourself.
that's like saying u can't criticize a movie!! "ohhh u never made a movie so u can't criticize!!" SHUT UP!! just becaus eu make them doesn't mean i can't tell which one's better!! Don't think average joes dont' know what their talking about their not blind!! Stop fooling yourself!!:rolleyes:
EDIT: Dont' think that just because you made an entirely different skin that it means yours is better! It's always the end result and by seeing your work i can tell the end result sucks! he may of just tweaked it but it still looks better than yours!

Originally posted by DEVILDOG
that's like saying u can't criticize a movie!! "ohhh u never made a movie so u can't criticize!!" SHUT UP!! just becaus eu make them doesn't mean i can't tell which one's better!! Don't think average joes dont' know what their talking about their not blind!! Stop fooling yourself!!:rolleyes:

there is no comparison... it is obvious to me now that you don't understand the effort it takes to produce a quality skin since you don't skin yourself. You really need to calm down. As you can see I'm not criticizing anyone anymore... whiskas' skin is fine for anyone who wants to use it. I personally won't use it because I don't like it. I've maintained the stance since the beginning abd I never once tried to coerce anyone into excepting my opinion as their own, I just said I could do the same thing and that it was no big deal. You are the only one here who is trying to force your opinion on others so stop it please.

its all a matter of opinion. in the case of this thread it goes from one extreme to the other. Bots skin is very nice.. saying it looks like plastic is a joke and i agree with him. You are in no place to judge if you have no idea what you are talking about. You are being rash and making an ass of yourself. Bots is out of line say the skin sucks to blatantly. Comments should be thought out. Devildog, given that you are a senior member i would have expected something a bit more mature from you. You handled the situation poorly. In other words your both wrong because your trying to change eachothers opinions which isn't going to happen so stop talking about it.

e/ .. ugh bots i was typing this as you wrote yours and i basically repeated what you said :p

Originally posted by Bots
there is no comparison... it is obvious to me now that you don't understand the effort it takes to produce a quality skin since you don't skin yourself. You really need to calm down. As you can see I'm not criticizing anyone anymore... whiskas' skin is fine for anyone who wants to use it. I personally won't use it because I don't like it. I've maintained the stance since the beginning abd I never once tried to coerce anyone into excepting my opinion as their own, I just said I could do the same thing and that it was no big deal. You are the only one here who is trying to force your opinion on others so stop it please.
I'm not "forcing" anything on anyone! I'm just saying that his is better than yours and i dont' see how u say u can do better because by looking at your pic it doesn't like u could do jack! (remember it's my opinion;) )! If anyhting, it seems to me like you're jsut a high assed skinner who thinks he's a bad and mighty! Come on now... "The only reason I even bothered to expend so much energy in displaying my "skill" in the first place is to get respect from this community. Now that dod has gone retail, there's all these people who don't know who I am anymore so I've got to make my reputation all over again!" give me a break!:rolleyes:

Originally posted by DEVILDOG
I'm not "forcing" anything on anyone! I'm just saying that his is better than yours and i dont' see how u say u can do better because by looking at your pic it doesn't like u could do jack! (remember it's my opinion;) )! If anyhting, it seems to me like you're jsut a high assed skinner who thinks he's a bad and mighty! Come on now... "it seems no one knows hwo i am anymore so now i have to reestablish my reputation!" give me a break!:rolleyes:

...please just be quite :rolleyes: .. its over

Originally posted by Sargent. Smash
...please just be quite :rolleyes: .. its over
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: YOu sound like my mom! I'll shutup if hte rest of u shut up and just admit it's nice looking skin (even if it's just a retouch)!:rolleyes:

now i kno why your a senior member. you write useless crap. just give it a rest you don't need to argue a case that is pointless to argue this is my last post in this thread you go ahead and flame me because i couldn't really give a ****. kthnxbai

http://www.wolfsglen.freeserve.co.uk/sucks.gif

Originally posted by Sargent. Smash
now i kno why your a senior member. you write useless crap. just give it a rest you don't need to argue a case that is pointless to argue this is my last post in this thread you go ahead and flame me because i couldn't really give a ****. kthnxbai
If anyhting YOU"RE forcing me to keep quiet! YOu just can't handle the fact that my opinion is "right"! and you're trying to shut me up just like they did to galileo, martin luther king, and all these other ppl who tried ot tell ppl how they felt but ended up having "society" try to run them down and shut them up!! WELL F*** YOU then!! I made my point and i'm sitckign with it! end of story!!;) :p :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Wolfsglen
http://www.wolfsglen.freeserve.co.uk/sucks.gif I could of done a better flash animation!!:p
Noooo YOU suck!! j/k!!:p

Devildog, you missed my point completely. Please go back and re-read my post.

Also if this method of approach doesn't work, then I shall reiterate.

Bots bashed the skin, I asked him in a nice way to give constructive criticism. He relented and apologized. In which afterwards you come in after him and bash his work, which my friend only brings you down to the level of the one you're arguing against. So therefore, the more you post your arguments to Bots, the more of a fool you look like.

I however did not say you couldn't discuss Whiskas' skin, I was hoping to end this argument peacefully like I did with Bots but you seem to be even more thickheaded than he.

And Bots, man, thanks for being reasonable. Everyone has their opinions about other's work, and this is fine. If you don't like it, don't use it. If you love it to death, there is no need in continuing to post in the thread to try and prove to everyone its the best thing in the world, they might not think so.

My point: Opinions are A-okay, but if you don't like it and you're skilled in the area, give them friendly helpful advice in which to improve their work. If they don't take it, it's their loss. If they do then everyone wins.

Bots-Big Headed skinner :) (apologized but still stayed with his opinion that he is someone on top in the DoD community)
DEVILDOG-Chris Tucker :)

Calm down guys. Show some respect to Whiskas and stop arguing in his release thread

Originally posted by DEVILDOG
If anyhting YOU"RE forcing me to keep quiet! YOu just can't handle the fact that my opinion is "right"! and you're trying to shut me up just like they did to galileo, martin luther king, and all these other ppl who tried ot tell ppl how they felt but ended up having "society" try to run them down and shut them up!! WELL F*** YOU then!! I made my point and i'm sitckign with it! end of story!!;) :p :rolleyes:

I cannot believe you just compared yourself to galileo and martin luther king. You're opinion is your opinion, that has nothing to do with whether or not it's "right". You're biased to your own opinion just like every else is theirs, so of course your opinion is "right" to YOU, and not everyone elses'. You're welcome to stick to your opinion, but we don't want to hear about it so shut up already.

and you're slam on my comment about rebuilding my reputation... it looks like you're building yourself quite a reputation as well, you need to quiet down before everyone dimisses every single word you say as worthless trash.

the Moderators are really dropping the ball here.. this post should've been closed days ago.

this wholke thing should have never been closed, its ur fault it got this far bots, but that doesnt matter, because devildog just made this thing WORSE. this reminds me of freaking MSA during 1.3b and all the haters

i think what alot of people miss is the fact that those things released are done so freely and we should all be greatful for anything released.. we all have different preferences and what someone may like and enjoy another might consider the opposite.

since i've replaced mine with Ripa's Suomi that i skinned i see no reason for me to use this one.

again.. we all want something different so try to be constructive and not just complain because you can.

I'm not "forcing" anything on anyone!

I'll shutup if hte rest of u shut up and just admit it's nice looking skin (even if it's just a retouch)!

And that's all I'll say about that...

Better a good retouch than a horrible reskin...

Originally posted by Otacon
And that's all I'll say about that...

My view

Whiskas: Looks good, but the white on the scratches make it look as though its been through a war twice, with a sander. Just looks too worn for my liking

Bots: Hmm....it does look plasticy. Looks like an ACME toy gun, i guess some people like that, i however dont, its too new looking for me.

In the end. I wont be using either.

Originally posted by DEVILDOG
I could of done a better flash animation!!:p
Noooo YOU suck!! j/k!!:p

I never made it :P :P But i DO suck at flash and anims heheh

@Bots:

Ok, so mabey ur first post wasent so nice. ok cool, and mabey you have some nice ass work to backup what other ppl have been saying "lets see you do better" ok great. but i mean, if the guy is new at skinning (or mabey he isnt) try posting something like "hey wiskas, ive seen you do better" or for constuctive critisism (also considering the fact that you DO know how to skin and could give him plenty of pointers) just try and help. derogitory comments end up making threads like this, and bringing in *******es like devildog.

@DEVILDOG

First off i think you need to shut your ****ing mouth. your obviously new here, and your obviously a child scince you show absoultely NO maturatey at ALL. stop making all these useless posts about how bad you THINK bots skin is. you have nothing to back that up except for your lame-ass opinion, wich doesent matter anyway, because your not a skinner. I mean christ i dont think ive ever seen anyone make such useless arguments, without any basis for saying it in the first place. Martin luther king? now tell me WTF does that have to do with modelling and skinning? stop trying to make you arguments look valid by using famous people you douche bag. and im not gonna stop there, its people like you that ruin this community, wtf is with you man? you try to find a way around what everyone says in order to make yourself seem right here. you idiot, had you not jumped into this conversation, mabey bots would still be the one being flamed and not you. isnt that what you wanted? scince bots is such a BAD skinner? let me tell you somehting buddy, bots is indeed one of the best skinners in this community, hes made some pretty nice ****. and regardless of weather or not is look like "plastic" his would be considered a better skin anyway because it required more time and effort to make. but you wouldent know anything about that would you? and i do believe you posted "lets see you do better jackass" ok well whos the real jackass here? you are. take a long look at all the posts you made and youll see what a jackass you really are. i mean you lashed out at people who dident even have beef with you in the first place.

step off loser, you have no say in this argument. (oh wait, i better not say anymore, he might try and use the little things i say as a reason to fight back!:eek: liek a speallingg eroror fer ecksample!" )

kthxbye

see Russ... the thing is whiskas has been in the game for a lot longer than you think. If he's got his own website with tons of stuff he's done over the past 6 months, that should give you a clue.

some may think my skin may look like plastic, and I can see why, but that just happens to be my style... I like new looking weapons, not old trashed ones that look like they'll break in a second or jam up.

Well some weapons ought to look shiny and new. Look at the StG44. Its model ought to look brand new because in the time period DoD represents, it hasn't seen much of the rigors of battle. This might could include the K43, Mp40, MG42, Greasegun and such.

However most of the other rifles, such as the Karabiner 98k, Garand, Springfield, and Enfield ought to look old, worn, rusty, torn, battered, beaten, bruised to death due to perhaps previous war experiences. However such as this opinion is, we all have them.

Originally posted by Lt. Firmalo
Bots-Big Headed skinner :) (apologized but still stayed with his opinion that he is someone on top in the DoD community)
DEVILDOG-Chris Tucker :)

Calm down guys. Show some respect to Whiskas and stop arguing in his release thread
agreed!!;)

Originally posted by Bots
I cannot believe you just compared yourself to galileo and martin luther king. You're opinion is your opinion, that has nothing to do with whether or not it's "right". You're biased to your own opinion just like every else is theirs, so of course your opinion is "right" to YOU, and not everyone elses'. You're welcome to stick to your opinion, but we don't want to hear about it so shut up already.

and you're slam on my comment about rebuilding my reputation... it looks like you're building yourself quite a reputation as well, you need to quiet down before everyone dimisses every single word you say as worthless trash.

the Moderators are really dropping the ball here.. this post should've been closed days ago.
sorry if u feel like that but I hate it when ppl tell u to shut up yet they haven't made a valid point yet!! YES i may of added SOME flames in my remarks but I nontheless added WHY i felt that way! IF you're to ignorant to but my flames aside and read the parts where I DID make a comment as to why i felt that way, it's your problem.
It's jsut that this line, AND THIS LINE ALONE, which pissed me off.
"The only reason I even bothered to expend so much energy in displaying my skill in the first place is to get respect from this community. Now that dod has gone retail, there's all these people who don't know who I am anymore so I've got to make my reputation all over again."
AT LEAST NOW bot's sounding more reasonable (maybe i am too, i dunno :rolleyes: ) but it was that one remark that pissed me off. I don't like "high assed" ppl who think their better than everyone else. And in this one line it sure as hell sounded like you were high assed. I was merely sticking up for whiskas.
And how can u say "what do u expect for a half-life mod that went retail"?! That remark also pissed me off! For every 20 good (maybe 30) good ,decent, honest, players there's 1 jackass hacker who won't admitt he hacks! but that's percentage wise. In your remark it sounds as if you're saying that all "newbs" are *******es who hack and are disrespectful to the mod community. Well they're not. There will be MORE good honest players than HACKERS, EVEN after dod has been retail for a while. Just because you've been here longer doesn't give you special rights! The newb's will learn!

Come one guys, even with a bit of mature sense its obvious on what to do.

Stop typing messages, its a waste of time, and besides that, it ins't what this thread is about. Its about Whiskas' great reskin which im still using. If you don't like it, then don't use it. You don't have to use it! And it won't be in the next patch!

And i agree with bots about that the thread still isnt closed IMG tag still doens't work :'( (http://www.ebaumsworld.com/forumfun/misc8.jpg)

Hey I got an idea! Why don't we do something constructive and tell Whiskas what is wrong with his skin so he can improve instead of flaming each other.

i love it whiskas!

Originally posted by Knives
Hey I got an idea! Why don't we do something constructive and tell Whiskas what is wrong with his skin so he can improve instead of flaming each other. there is NOTHING wrong with it. It's a GREAT SKIN!:D

yay now my mp44 dont look like a piece of plastic!

btw are you the whiskas whos in charge of www.bgmod.com ?

Originally posted by Spork
yay now my mp44 dont look like a piece of plastic!

btw are you the whiskas whos in charge of www.bgmod.com ?
that's what i've been trying to say the whole dam time!!:rolleyes:

one day ill tell you my secret of being super good.. untill then keep trying :)

I like the thompson with the 1.0 skin on it :D

Originally posted by DEVILDOG
sorry if u feel like that but I hate it when ppl tell u to shut up yet they haven't made a valid point yet!! YES i may of added SOME flames in my remarks but I nontheless added WHY i felt that way! IF you're to ignorant to but my flames aside and read the parts where I DID make a comment as to why i felt that way, it's your problem.
It's jsut that this line, AND THIS LINE ALONE, which pissed me off.
"The only reason I even bothered to expend so much energy in displaying my skill in the first place is to get respect from this community. Now that dod has gone retail, there's all these people who don't know who I am anymore so I've got to make my reputation all over again."
AT LEAST NOW bot's sounding more reasonable (maybe i am too, i dunno :rolleyes: ) but it was that one remark that pissed me off. I don't like "high assed" ppl who think their better than everyone else. And in this one line it sure as hell sounded like you were high assed. I was merely sticking up for whiskas.
And how can u say "what do u expect for a half-life mod that went retail"?! That remark also pissed me off! For every 20 good (maybe 30) good ,decent, honest, players there's 1 jackass hacker who won't admitt he hacks! but that's percentage wise. In your remark it sounds as if you're saying that all "newbs" are *******es who hack and are disrespectful to the mod community. Well they're not. There will be MORE good honest players than HACKERS, EVEN after dod has been retail for a while. Just because you've been here longer doesn't give you special rights! The newb's will learn!

the only reason I sound "high assed" as you put it, is because you don't know how much time and effort it takes to make a skin worthy of being called "good". You will never understand this until you try making a skin yourself. I don't think I'm better than anyone else, and I never asserted that in any of my comments. I simply said that whiskas' skin needs more work is slightly more harsh wording.

since people are saying I need to be more specific about what is wrong with it I'll point them out in clear numbered order.

1. The skin is to sharp on the edges, the gun looks as if it were cut out from a flat piece of sheet metal and bent into the shape of an mp40.
2. Too much contrast. There is point in the contrast that you don't go beyond. The contrast level whiskas has set on his skin has made it rough adding to the overall sharp sheet metal look.
3. The sharpness has created twisted shapes on the surface of the skin that don't befit the uniform smooth surface of a manufactured weapon made of stamped metal parts. The body of the weapon should be smooth, with a few scratches and indentations, not protruding chunks of metal all over the surface.

3 simple things... 3 simple solutions that can be obviously deduced. figure it out.

Originally posted by Spork
btw are you the whiskas whos in charge of www.bgmod.com ?

yeah im on the bg dev team.


and as for bots' comments, im glad that he found that his earlier comments about my skin were out of line, and i appreciate the comments he just posted above me. IMO its just a matter of style, bots' skins have a newer look to them while mine look war torn, its just a matter of whether you like dirty or clean models.

Oh my God, dude! The Battle Grounds is one of my favorite games ever! Other than DOD that is. I love that mod so much. If you guys need someone to make sprites for your mod, im your man! I hope that I can help out on the mod.

To tell you the truth, I like this model. Looks great. If anything sucked, it was pictures of anything Bot did. Which I don't understand why he put them in someone elses release thread to start with. Especialy when they didn't even look good.

Good lord, a man releases his reskin/retouch and people like it and other people hate it, i personally think its an ok job, nothing extra-ordinary, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but dont insult someone for their work, the guy even got his picture up on a host, if he had something hosted, he takes a good amount of pride in putting his work on the internet, so being egotistical and mean to Whiska's should't happen

Bots o Bots.....your a good skinner, but i don't like your work, and especially your weapon origins, the metal is to grey and flat finished, the sleeve and arm is a good piece of work though, your a good skinner, but don't let a few guys make you argue on a forum for a game, don't take everything seriously

I have posted my map work before, been criticized by R5 greatly, he basically hated my work, so i release better pics, hes impressed, we get along 'slightly' i released skinning work before or lack thereof, Bots criticized it, didn't bother me, everyone has different tastes

hell theres even maybe 500+ people who hate dod 1.0, you can NEVER please EVERYONE, human nature i guess

oh well i'll stop rambling, get along guys, hopefully Whiska can release updates of his work if we manage to keep the thread open
;)

Oh, my God. Whiskas getting treated like a "n00b." Now I've seen everything. Guy's probably been around longer 'n dirt, and he's disrespected as if he's claiming DoD dev team work for his own.

I personally love that reskin. The chips around the edges were certainly not just changes to the saturation or whatever.

As for Bots' MP40 skin... Now, this isn't a flame. It's just my personal feeling. I have a hard time with a lot of your skins. They feel so sandy to me. The metal always has a strangely digital grit to it that doesn't feel metallic. Like smart-blurring noised-up pixels, or something. Something I'd expect to see more on some sort of glazed stucco...

Sooo... ummmm.... Whiskas have you talked to the team to ask if I can make sprites for the BG mod? I would really like to join.

Originally posted by Whiskas
IMO its just a matter of style, bots' skins have a newer look to them while mine look war torn, its just a matter of whether you like dirty or clean models.

IMO I think you went a little too far with the war torn look, but thats my opinion and your the skinner, so skin how you want to. Yeah and whiskas has done a lot for the community and he's been around for a long time.

Originally posted by Cs42886
Sooo... ummmm.... Whiskas have you talked to the team to ask if I can make sprites for the BG mod? I would really like to join.


at this point we really don't need any sprites done, but if the need arises and our sprite artists are MIA then ill give you a shout :)


and i woudl like to thank evryone for supporting me in this thread, i never expected such a relatively insignificant release to become so contraversial