M14


Numb Rider
10-03-2004, 03:32 PM
Howdy,

http://users.pandora.be/Spezz/m14render.jpg
http://users.pandora.be/Spezz/worstrenderever.jpg

Replaces the Carbine :dog:

Download: http://users.pandora.be/Spezz/DOD.rar

Billie|Joe
10-03-2004, 03:36 PM
sechs :eek:

Multiple Wounds
10-03-2004, 04:15 PM
Omg I wud lovew to have this as a garand replacement, tho unrealsitic.

Great model btw :vader:

Splinter
10-03-2004, 04:18 PM
nice
yay, more CS stuff.

{tBs}IamDoydy
10-03-2004, 04:18 PM
Originally posted by Billie|Joe
sechs :eek:

grouppe sechs

Brenden Azevedo
10-03-2004, 04:18 PM
Holy :hamster::hamster::hamster::hamster:.

Where did this come from?

Very well done.

This is a superb job.

Brenden Azevedo
10-03-2004, 04:19 PM
Originally posted by Splinter
nice
yay, more CS stuff.

What you say boah?

CS?

THIS TAKES ME BACK TO 'NAM BABY!

*office linebacker voice*

WOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

DarkLite
10-03-2004, 04:46 PM
Slap a bipod on it and make it a BAR and I will love you.

Richy
10-03-2004, 05:04 PM
OMGZORZ!!!!



I give it 5 vaders!!!
:vader: :vader: :vader: :vader: :vader:

~*StaR*~
10-03-2004, 05:53 PM
wow those look incredible! i'm not gonna use them though. i don't like to use modern-type weapons in a ww2 game =/

Vandal
10-03-2004, 06:23 PM
Best carbine replacement I've ever seen. 10/10. *uses*

Swedish
10-03-2004, 07:43 PM
Gonna try to convert this as a BAR, great work.

Billie|Joe
10-03-2004, 07:56 PM
You can't convert it to the bar using bar animations because the bolt thingy is on the right side on the m14... as opposed to it being on the left on a bar...

I added a quick 2-second animation job (filling in for the down_to_up, down_shoot, etc etc etc). It's pretty crappy but hey, who here deploys a bar :confused:

Swedish
10-03-2004, 08:09 PM
Originally posted by Billie|Joe
You can't convert it to the bar using bar animations because the bolt thingy is on the right side on the m14... as opposed to it being on the left on a bar...
Yeah... Found out the hard way. :(

Also, is it me or does the M14 look a wee bit too small scale-wise?

Billie|Joe
10-03-2004, 08:17 PM
It needs some FOV loving.

Brutal
10-03-2004, 09:00 PM
i know that this isnt ww2 or anything but this is great:) Ive always wanted to get my hands on an m14...downloads.
Might even see a skin;)

fess
10-04-2004, 03:42 AM
^^:eek: a brut skin! yay!

numb, can u sort me a zip version mate? ta:)

Intifada
10-04-2004, 05:00 AM
Originally posted by Billie|Joe
You can't convert it to the bar using bar animations because the bolt thingy is on the right side on the m14... as opposed to it being on the left on a bar...

I added a quick 2-second animation job (filling in for the down_to_up, down_shoot, etc etc etc). It's pretty crappy but hey, who here deploys a bar :confused:

couldnt u just take the given reload animation and compile it into the bar replacement? :confused:

btw:
sometimes I deploy a bar....

Sproily
10-04-2004, 09:49 AM
Originally posted by Billie|Joe
who here deploys a bar :confused:

*raises hand*

Numb Rider
10-04-2004, 01:35 PM
Originally posted by Cpt_Speirs[OwP]
^^:eek: a brut skin! yay!

numb, can u sort me a zip version mate? ta:)

Poke me on msn keke :dog:

:carrot: :dog:

Warlord-Sco-
10-04-2004, 04:01 PM
Thats a very nice carbine replacement indeed!

I'm going with the synthetic green stock, look's great!

On a side note, i came upon a ggreat picture of the M-14 still in action, taken today in Iraq..

Sniper Rifle anyone??:D

Vandal
10-04-2004, 04:19 PM
Oohh....could you put a scope on it and make it a springfeild?

Splinter
10-04-2004, 04:30 PM
just a reminder, you forgot to give credits to

Axis sleeve : Splinter
Hand fingertips: Splinter
Gloves: Dillinger?

:D

I'll be skinning this soon if i have the time.

Multiple Wounds
10-04-2004, 04:44 PM
Yo warlord, Im using this beautiful model atm. Its awsome.

Btw is that Jeremy from (or was from) the Red Orchestra team, in the credits?

Billie|Joe
10-04-2004, 04:46 PM
Originally posted by Intifada
couldnt u just take the given reload animation and compile it into the bar replacement? :confused:

btw:
sometimes I deploy a bar....

It takes more that that... the bar still has the down_idle, down_reload, up_to_down, and down_to_up. You could probably use some given anims and maybe use draw for the up_to_down and down_to_up (although it'll look retarded) but you wouldn't know the difference if you were deployed.

Like I said, I did a half-assed animation job in which he moves the gun up a little for the deployed sequences.. although the anims aren't timed right (which is fixable).

ez
10-04-2004, 06:32 PM
What about taking the M14 and swaping sides w/ the bolt? You could use the BAR animations then. That would take a remesh though, wouldnt it?

Billie|Joe
10-04-2004, 07:05 PM
Originally posted by ez
What about taking the M14 and swaping sides w/ the bolt? You could use the BAR animations then. That would take a remesh though, wouldnt it?

remesh? no, because it wouldn't involve actually adding a new model peice. I guess you could do that if you assign the whole slide thing with the cocking handle, but it would look funny.. since that's not where it really is... and either way you would have to add new animations for the down sequences and the uptodown/downtoup

So you would be better off just getting new animations off of the current one since it would take less work and make more sense

ez
10-04-2004, 09:01 PM
Originally posted by Billie|Joe
I guess you could do that if you assign the whole slide thing with the cocking handle, but it would look funny.. since that's not where it really is...

I doubt anyone would know what side the slide/cocking lever is on a M14 w/out looking at a actual pic of a M14. I really wouldnt care anyways.

You guys were talking about adding a bipod to the front, right?

Why would you need new animations if you use the original BAR animation (w/ the up & down animations)? Wouldnt it be as simple as swaping the BAR w/ the M14, attaching the bipod, and assigning the bones?

Billie|Joe
10-04-2004, 10:14 PM
well actually they or he was talking about adding a bipod. Something fov'd wouldn't look right with something that isn't to me

Intifada
10-05-2004, 08:26 AM
the cocking handle should stay on the right side, everyone who plays dod will see his garand a few times and see that they are actually the same gun, one of them is just magazine-loaded and can be fired full auto.

Originally posted by Warlord-Sco-
Thats a very nice carbine replacement indeed!

I'm going with the synthetic green stock, look's great!

On a side note, i came upon a ggreat picture of the M-14 still in action, taken today in Iraq..

Sniper Rifle anyone??:D


id rather say thats an M21...

Warlord-Sco-
10-05-2004, 10:19 AM
Ahh, ok..

I must admit im no gun expert, but most of the guys over at militaryphotos.net were calling it an M-14.
After doing a quick google myself,i can see that they are very similar weapons.

Intifada
10-05-2004, 10:25 AM
no problemo. i m always ready to help :D

btw, ur sig is kewl

Steel Blade
10-05-2004, 11:19 AM
Nice model and decent skins. Shame its unrealstic. Would look nice in a Nam mod :p

Joe Anderson
10-06-2004, 10:25 AM
The gun in question is an accurized M-14 that the Army is re-issuing to special units in an anti-sniper role in Iraq and Afghanistan. There was a larger article in Small Arms Review last month on the proud return of the M-14 to the Army. If you can dig that up online its a good read.

Anderson

Grain
10-06-2004, 11:22 AM
Very nice indeed. But I think It would make a better K43 replacement that a BAR or carbine.

Intifada
10-06-2004, 11:28 AM
nice idea, that would fit it mostly, but i guess most ppl wont like to use this model for a k43 not only because they werent invented at that time, its an american weapon as well. maybe if u would release a big pack of modern firearms that would replace the default and turn dod into a FPS that takes place in the present day, that would be kewl, but difficult, since no one would use bolt action rifles without a scope, except some weird arabs, but then u would have to add camels, too.
but that wouldnt be politically correct, i dont have any prejudices against arabs.

KomradRazvan
10-07-2004, 12:21 AM
I would sure hope you didnt have any prejudice against arabs, conisdering your name is Intifada.
For those of you unfimiliar with that term, here is a definition:

Intifada: Arabic word stands for shaking off or shivering because of fear or illness. It also means abrupt and sudden waking up from sleep or unconcerned status. Politically; The word came to symbolise the Palestinian uprising against the Israeli occupation.

Intifada
10-07-2004, 12:35 PM
Originally posted by KomradRazvan
I would sure hope you didnt have any prejudice against arabs, conisdering your name is Intifada...

:D u are the first person who seems to notice my name. i chose this name when playing dod in the 3.1 beta days and someone called himself "mossad", the israelian secret service, as u might know. i talked about politics with him during the game and decided to call myself "intifada" then and make some suicide attacks with primed nades, it was some kind of satiristic act (dont know if the word "satiristic" exists, but i hope u will understand).

well, i also dont like the israelian governments attitude and whatt they do, this wall they are building now for example, maybe its justified, but they did also build it in a way that prevents a lot of palaestineans from going to their working places. this will raise the anger from the arabs and will make them keep blowing up theirselves and innocent ppl

sry to any admin, mod for posting something thats not really related to the topic, but i had to explain my name

KomradRazvan
10-07-2004, 06:46 PM
Aha... I see. Well you are right about the israelis. You know, there was an HBO special i saw a few weeks ago, it was a documentary called "Death in Gaza", it was made by a british camera crew, and the camera man that was with them wanted to film israeli children, but first was filming the palestinian children, and the night they were trying to go over to the israeli side to film, an israeli tank fired at the crew, who were waving white flags, and killed the camera man.

About the suicide bombings, if u knew, the israelis drive tanks and bulldozers into palestinian neighborhoods and fire upon children who are throwing rocks at them. The arabs throw rocks and fight with sticks, the Israelis come in with american donated weapons like Abrams tanks. When fighting an enemy that is outnumbering and out gunning you, you do not fight them straight on, u engage in gorrilla warfare and scare tactics. You strike at the weakest points possible, yet they are the most effective. You should eliminate the soldiers before they become soldiers. Americans call this terrorism, but if they were in the same situation, it would be called freedom fighting. Infact, they were once in the same position, during colonial times, and they had to use secret bombings and such things to gain their independence from a nation that was outnumbering and out gunning them. I mean, we all remember the Boston Tea Party incident from history class, dont we?

OK... anyways, so i think i may have talked off topic too much, but i am really into the whole international politics thing.

Brenden Azevedo
10-07-2004, 10:51 PM
These boards are not a place for political discussion, especially anything regarding Israel.

Intifada
10-08-2004, 06:44 AM
Originally posted by Brenden Azevedo
These boards are not a place for political discussion, especially anything regarding Israel.

absolutely right, i said that before, i didnt want to discuss politics here.

but:
The arabs throw rocks and fight with sticks, the Jews come in with american donated weapons like Abrams tanks

being a jew is a confession, it has nothing to do with the israelian politics, i would be careful with what im saying

KomradRazvan
10-08-2004, 11:39 AM
ok yeah, good point there, i should've used a different word, i edited it now. Sorry, i was quite tired at the time of posting and just threw the first word that came out.

Mortar
10-08-2004, 12:34 PM
I love it when all the middle east experts start talking...
Sit back and enjoy the ride.

Like i won't talk about the political situation in nigeria or in korea you shouldn't be talking about things you don't understand.

I like it that israel have abram tanks... it's nice ^_^
Can you please donate israel some US navy ships while speaking ?

First of all, don't talk like you know everything because you don't, i bet you never been to israel, i bet you dunno a single thing about the region's history and conflicts...
Also im sure non of you guys been to gaza or near it.
Can you even point it on the map ?

How would you like to live in a non occupaid quiet city near the sea ? sounds great ?
oh wait... the great FREEDOM fighters want to launch rockets on the heart of the city (no army there, no soldiers).
you walk in the street and every :hamster::hamster::hamster::hamster:ing day atleast 2 rockets fall down.
People die in their homes, goddamn kids die... so it's not like THE EVIL Israelis say... "oh what are we going to do today ? we are so bored... lets destroy a village" - that's such a bs.

Do you even know how the palstiniens fight ? they fight with israeli weapons given to them in a peace treaty to keep order.

How would you like to go party in a club and have you and your friends expolde ?
Man... that's a nice way of living a life in a democratic country modern country.

If it was the UK here or the US or any other european nation GAZA would be wiped out and all the people there would be dead or begging for food in the desert after trucks would transfer them there.

Who the hell are you kidding ?
"this wall they are building now for example, maybe its justified, but they did also build it in a way that prevents a lot of palaestineans from going to their working places."

Oh really ?
First of all life comes first.
Second do you know where the palasetineans work ? in israel, yes... israel gives them their jobs and their water and their fuel and their electricity.
Besides it's a border and they don't have any right to pass... it's not their country.

Why they don't have jobs in the west bank and gaza ? because their stupid leader all your embassdors come to hug with is a terrorist that sends his wife billions of dollars while she is in monaco and the poor people are hungry.

Freedom fighting my ass.
I want to see you going up on a bus and having all your class getting steaked and then you will talk about freedom fighting.

Stupid terrorists that kill civilians and make their people suffer.

What kind of freedom fighters enter a wedding and kill everybody ?
what kind of freedom fighters explode clubs ?
what kind of freedom fighters break into houses and shoot kids and babys from 0 range ?
what kind of :hamster::hamster::hamster::hamster:ing freedom fighters enter a bus and kill people that just want to live and go to their job in the morning ?

The IDF firing on children ? what kind of bull:hamster::hamster::hamster::hamster: is that ?
Do you know sometimes kids climb on tanks and nobody fire on them ? once a MG was detached from a tank and no one fired.

When you fight in the most populated place on earth with every single civilian hates you and let terrorists into their houses so they can fire from hidden places on soldiers that are ONLY TARGETING Terrorists people are bound to die too.

When you shell a house that terrorists are firing from and there are kids watching how their heroes fight and they die from a shell there's nothing you can do about it and don't :hamster::hamster::hamster::hamster:ing forget why there is army in their cities ! BECAUSE civilians die in terror and nobody is doing nothing to stop it.
more than 1000 people is enough for you ? or you don't care if the whole nation dies ?
not to mention people that DO not die in terror attacks, do you know how it sucks to have images of a terror attack ? to get blinded ? to have a brother without legs or arms ? or to go to school and come back to find out your mother is not alive because she was talking a bus home ?

so yeah the evil israeli army is firing on a British TV crew, really... how many times did you see pictures of millitants firing in the streets ? as the camera man is 5 meters from them ? so sometimes when you see a camera from 100 meters it could easily be thought as a RPG, especialy if 2 seconds before someone just fired on you from the same place.

What attitude i don't like the most ? people talking non sense when they got no clue about the real facts...
you live 8000 miles away and you think you can see 30 minutes once a week on TV and you know everything right ?

and BTW Israel don't have abram tanks, they have merkava tanks that got nothing to do with the US, and besides the airforce planes that the US sales for lots of countries and M4A1 rifles, the army make it's own weapons.

So please do yourself and everybody around you a favour, if you don't have any knowledge don't try and play the smart guy... just don't talk at all.

And yeah... you got a very intresting name.
What next ? people calling themselves holocaust ?

fess
10-09-2004, 04:34 AM
^^ impressive post, i reckon political discussion is best left a side... we all know what will happen if this carries on.... back to the model....

Intifada
10-09-2004, 06:27 AM
well, mortar, i didnt read ur complete post because its too long, but i guess i know what uve written. i have never been in israel, but i know about its history, i know about the developing of the conflicts, and i can show it to u on a map. i am very interested in politics and history, but u must understand i didnt want to talk about things like this in the MSA section. so please dont force anyone to post an even longer text by writing a KITTYKITTY long text about politics and our incompetence (what actually doesnt apply to me).

i dont like anyone killing someone else, so i dont like what any side in that conflict does. i dont sympathize with the paleastineans, as i dont sympathize with the isrealians, since they have the power, the money and the worldwide support to make the situation better.

i like peace and freedom.
i dont like isolation and killing people on a wedding ceremony

back to the model please

killer tomato
10-09-2004, 07:06 AM
Back to the model?

Too ****ing late.

first:

I must agree with Mortar's post. If you don't have anything to do with it or don't know anything about it. Don't even think about starting a discussion. And as for you Intifada; you may think you know enough, but believe me, you don't, and please don't bullcrap with ''last week I saw a programn...''. I think such people lack character and personality. :sheep:

second:

It really pisses me of to see so much bull:hamster::hamster::hamster::hamster: on one thread.

Cheers,

tomato

Facts about Isral (http://www.factmonster.com/ipka/A0107652.html)

History of the state of Isral (http://www.mfa.gov.il/mfa/facts%20about%20israel/history/HISTORY-%20The%20State%20of%20Israel)

Facts and mythes about the intifada (http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/myths/mf19a.html)

Brutal
10-09-2004, 08:10 AM
uh huh well this is ay off topic to the discussion but anyways, ive started skinning this and i finished the wood, but now my photoshop is deaded so it might be a while before i put up a wip.

Intifada
10-09-2004, 08:14 AM
i didnt start a discussion, i explained my nickname to komrad razvan. i also didnt EVER say "yesterday,i saw a program"... wtf? i read mortars text after posting mine and what i guessed he wrote was true. (to killer tomatoe: why should i read a post where there is only some flaming and information everyone should know and and has been said before? i overlooked the text and decided not to read it, because i knew what he had written)

my first post should make clear that i am neither a radical supporter of the palaestineans, nor of the israelians. the only one who started the discussion were u, who just needed an opportunity to show everyone else they were the only ones who know everything about israel or palaestina, maybe u have relatives there, friends or u even live there. sorry that i am interested in what happens there. of course everyone could stop paying attention on whats happening there and they would continue killing each other until israel is broke and all palestinaens are dead, not before killing hundreds of innocent people who may even not support their gouvernment. (see this as an exaggerated example before flaming again)

you dont know anything about me (especially how i gain knowledge) and i dont know anything about you, so i wont judge u, but u shouldnt judge me, too (i think i judged u with what ive written above, but thats just what i think of u after reading ur posts).

btw:
the only HBO productions i ever saw were "band of brothers" and "the sopranos", since i dont live in america and cant watch HBO. also i would never gain all my knowledge out of one company like HBO, i prefer watching different serious news on TV and reading different papers, too. i am happy to live in a country where i can get impartial news and facts.
im just 16 years old i read more books about history and politics than u would imagine a 16 years old boy would ever read.


*edit*
thanks to brutal, im looking forward to see another great skin. will it be something completely different compared to the given skins?

*edit2*
hey tomatoe, ur 2nd link is from the "israelian ministry of foreign affairs", so i would like to have a link to another page, to see if there are differences in the way the facts are presented, just to get an objective perspective.

killer tomato
10-09-2004, 09:39 AM
you dont know anything about me (especially how i gain knowledge) and i dont know anything about you, so i wont judge judgu, but u shouldnt e me, too (i think i judged u with what ive written above, but thats just what i think of u after reading ur posts).


That's ok :D

i didnt start a discussion, i explained my nickname to komrad razvan. i also didnt EVER say "yesterday,i saw a program"... wtf? i read mortars text after posting mine and what i guessed he wrote was true.

Making a statement can unleash a discussion, it's a risk you should be familliar with.
The programn thing was for Komrad razvan :carrot:

*edit2*
hey tomatoe, ur 2nd link is from the "israelian ministry of foreign affairs", so i would like to have a link to another page, to see if there are differences in the way the facts are presented, just to get an objective perspective.

An intelligent and wellread person like you should be able to filter the truth (if nescessery). And still, facts will be facts wont they?

I must admit I just got pissed off for the fact that I see so much people just judge the middle-eastconflict with so little respect for the people who suffer from it and -maybe that's the worst part -with so little knoledge of it. Any reasonable person who really tries to understand the situation (wich requires alot more then a few books and a opinion) will see that Isral is right in most cases. Not all, most.

Cheers!

Intifada
10-09-2004, 10:01 AM
i think after this very diplomatic and sarcastic, well written post of killer tomatoe we should stop arguing now and dont start talking about politics and our highly thinking of ourselves again.


*edit*

aaargh i just saw the last part of ur post (i didnt read carefully, soorry) and must say that i dont aggree, but from ur profile i can see that u seem to have an israelian background, so i wont blame u for anything.

this is really my last post to this thread.

end of story

Sushi
10-25-2004, 10:51 PM
Originally posted by Billie|Joe
... and either way you would have to add new animations for the down sequences and the uptodown/downtoup

I did that once, but shoot me, I lost my entire archive file.

Intifada
10-26-2004, 12:32 PM
*Pow, pow, pow*

omg! The legendary Sushi is at these forums! Yay :cool:

blackhand
10-29-2004, 08:32 AM
mortars pist was quite good but for one thing.

If it was the UK here or the US or any other european nation GAZA would be wiped out and all the people there would be dead or begging for food in the desert after trucks would transfer them there.

actually uk has experianced the same thing (well terriorist bombing not suicide bombings) the ira has been carrying out the same sort of attact since the 1970's and irelancd has been a source of conflict for the iuk for over a 100 years. so really israel isnt the only country with seperatist terrorists/freedom fighters (all depends on ure point of view how u see them) ... and i dare say it never will be.

DarkLite
10-29-2004, 09:23 AM
Can we get back to the model, ffs?

Anyhoo, a M-14 sniper rifle is called a M-21.

I like beans.

ULCer
10-30-2004, 10:10 AM
Nice job, I 'm going to check them out, keep up the good work.:vader:

Hunterex
11-06-2004, 10:26 AM
Originally posted by DarkLite
Can we get back to the model, ffs?

Anyhoo, a M-14 sniper rifle is called a M-21.

I like beans.

M-21 is outdated , the current M-14 Sniper is the M-25
Not much different, better mounts...

I think the gas assembly is unitized on both, and fairly sure the stock is glass bedded, or perhaps even steel bedded.
The stock associated with either sniper's in the civie world isn't actually used by the Military.

This thread surely caught my attention, as I've been working on my M-14 all damned morning.

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