02-09-2004

Hi,

For a few days now I've been working on a map called dod_holland (of course not constantly, I'm pretty busy at the moment actually). I am not sure if there allready excists a map which has the same name but I will take my chances for now ...

I thaught this map to become a 'five-flag-map'. Very basic, 2 spawns, five flags and a 'centre' wich will have a few standard sniper and mg possitions. As you will see or have allready seen on the screenshots, the allied spawn will be in a somewhat naturural envoirement and will slowly advance in a ruined city. This is so because the allied forces have allready bombed the city and the task of the allied forces is to take the city and to eliminate the remaining axis forces. Of course the task of the axis forces will be to drive the allied forces back and to hold the city. If they will fail, this will have great consequences for the rest of the WWII! I'm not ready to develop the axis spawn yet but I'm planning to make it a ruined church, house or building. And ehr, oh jeah, I think it's going to be Brits vs. Nazi's.

As you also may have seen, I got somewhat inspired by dod_merderet, dod_jagd and dod_caen but of course I'm also trying to give this map a 'killertomato-twist'.

Well, I hope to have given you enough information about my [WIP]map, now I am awaiting your feedback.

yours sincerely,

killertomato

screenshots:
http://home.wanadoo.nl/atia/holland1.jpg
http://home.wanadoo.nl/atia/holland2.jpg
http://home.wanadoo.nl/atia/holland3.jpg
http://home.wanadoo.nl/atia/holland4.jpg
http://home.wanadoo.nl/atia/holland5.jpg
http://home.wanadoo.nl/atia/holland6.jpg
http://home.wanadoo.nl/atia/holland7.jpg
http://home.wanadoo.nl/atia/holland8.jpg
http://home.wanadoo.nl/atia/holland9.jpg
http://home.wanadoo.nl/atia/holland11.jpg
http://home.wanadoo.nl/atia/holland12.jpg
http://home.wanadoo.nl/atia/holland13.jpg
http://home.wanadoo.nl/atia/holland14.jpg
http://home.wanadoo.nl/atia/holland15.jpg
http://home.wanadoo.nl/atia/holland16.jpg
http://home.wanadoo.nl/atia/holland17.jpg
http://home.wanadoo.nl/atia/holland18.jpg
http://home.wanadoo.nl/atia/holland19.jpg
http://home.wanadoo.nl/atia/holland20.jpg

NOTE, since I have no internet at my current staying, I'm not sure how often I will be able to reply or suply you from new screenshots. As the matter is a fact, I don't even know for sure if I will eventually finish this map!

Looks awsome, has that gritty war torn feel. I love it, excellent work.

looking good for a few days work that for sure! make screenshots smaller next time plz :P reviewing these pics - comments soon.

looks good, If you want i can host your maps and u can have a page with screenshots on too.

very nice indeed....really looks like Holland.

find a better floor texture, maybe some wood so the repetitiveness won 't be noticed, but that black and white tile just doesn't fit.

It looks pretty cool,can't wait to play it when it's done.

http://home.wanadoo.nl/atia/holland4.jpg

ARGH! THE ATTACK OF THE SECOND MOST OVERUSED TEXTURE IN DOD! (church)

I think that you should lay out some crates, and stuff like barrels all over the place.

I think it looks fine. :)

awesome pictures, as others may have mention, more rubble, but map looks awesome.

If your going in the direction of total destruction city, then ill add my 3 cents in on what id love to see.
*Passages between buildings, flags in some buildings on top story.
Well can't think of much else that u havnt added, k didn't help much did I.

Not to sound rude but your first pic that says lighting a la stephen king, in english means light of the stephen king. If your going for a french message its light du stephen king. lol just thought id add that, means nothing at all still great map.

random. not just 1 texture, every texture there is overused. :sheep:

Yea I agree this has potential but swapp some textures...
And some aerias are to big and open, put some more rubble and stuff in there...

The images are very well. Good work

To only say that you use too many textures of dod_jagd, which gives a similarity him that is not perhaps good.

A greeting

Killer tomato u made the dod_charlie skybox?

Looks nice, but not like most of Holland to me. Ask I.R. Red brick is the way to go.

find a better floor texture, maybe some wood so the repetitiveness won 't be noticed, but that black and white tile just doesn't fit.

Good idea, I will see what I can do.

ARGH! THE ATTACK OF THE SECOND MOST OVERUSED TEXTURE IN DOD! (church)

Sorry :rolleyes:

random. not just 1 texture, every texture there is overused.

Sorry. Must ... use

I think that you should lay out some crates, and stuff like barrels all over the place.

Yes, I will work on that, thanks.

Killer tomato u made the dod_charlie skybox?

dod_jagd

If your going in the direction of total destruction city, then ill add my 3 cents in on what id love to see.
*Passages between buildings, flags in some buildings on top story.
Well can't think of much else that u havnt added, k didn't help much did I.

Not to sound rude but your first pic that says lighting a la stephen king, in english means light of the stephen king. If your going for a french message its light du stephen king. lol just thought id add that, means nothing at all still great map.

Thanks for your ideas and yes, they did help. I will try to add more accesable houses (wich I like to see also) and the idea to add flags on the top of a / some building / s is great.

And no, you didn't sound rude at all. Thanks for the enlightning ;)

I hope to supply you with new screenshots next week. Thanks for the feedback and compliments for now,

killer tomato

Originally posted by Gijsko
Looks nice, but not like most of Holland to me. Ask I.R. Red brick is the way to go.

Gijska makes a point there. No houses here with dark, grey rock-bricks. Most of the house are and were in WW2 made of small, red brick. Sometimes more grey or brown. Whatever. But not those huge bricks you see in france or so.

And yeah, i'm dutch.

totally unrelated to the thread, but whats up with the bottom sky peice of the dod_jagd sky? lol.. always wondered about it O_o

:PARROT: Hi,

I know that this maps does not really look like the most of Holland, but that's something I will learn to live with. But you're absolutely right, it's not stereotype-Holland :rolleyes:

I also don't know what's up with the dod_jagd skybox. Maybe it would help if I said that I use dod 1.0 as a source for my mapping activities.

Also I would like to say that more screenhots will come up next Monday. Be prepared :)

That's it,

tomato

wow, look´s fine ...

when the map is finished and ready for download, email me the link pls , i will add a Mirror @ Schlex.Net

thX

joell@gmx.com

Hi, I promised to have my pics updated by today. Unfortunatly this isn't possible due to several nasty problems. Herefor I'm deeply sorry. I hope -in the upcoming days I'll be able to spoil you people with some good eyecandy :kitty:

Until then,

tomato

Sorry to bother you again,

But I've found myself competent enough to work out some screenshotshammer editor of (since the compiling time is so long I've to wait for the weekend!)

So behold ....

dod_holland (http://img29.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img29&image=dod_holland_6pic2.jpg)

Yes, behold ... :sheep:

dod_holland01 (http://img77.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img77&image=dod_holland_6pic1.jpg)

Well, that's it. Next week better pics [IF everything goes like I planned it :)]

tomato

Looking goood!
*waiting waiting waiting*

ok so the arcitecture is getting abit better.. but the texture are still way off .. though i wouldnt jump on the dod_escape.wad been done alot lately :P

look around try to make some stuff yourself

couple of example buildings i did in dutch style:


samples (http://mapping.nuclear-dawn.net/arjanb/pages/level_demo.htm)

hope that helps

WOW IR!

:eek:

How much time did it take to compile the bridge?

looks awesome tomato! looks quite fun to play on...i would love to play on it :D

ok so the arcitecture is getting abit better.. but the texture are still way off .. though i wouldnt jump on the dod_escape.wad been done alot lately :P

Yes, as soon as I know how to be able to use more then 4mb of textures I will probably re-texture a few buildings. Good to know the textures of dod_escape have been used a lot lately.

The bridge looks really cool, is that a hl2 project?
Isn't downloadable btw.

looks awesome tomato! looks quite fun to play on...i would love to play on it

I would so totally rule you all on my map! ;)

No, I suck.

Next time more pics,

tomato

Those textures (and brushwork) are just so f-ing NICE IR!

Anyways Killer, think you are moving along nicely, dont trash
this, I will try to make some dutch textures, allthough they
wont be on IR's standard, they should work fine.

Keep going!:dog:

Good work, once the map is ready, 907th.com will mirror it to make it more accessable to everyone.

Keep up the good work!

>S<

[907th] CoolHandLuke

hey that map looks SWEET but ya i think a better floor texture and a redish still brike would be very nive and maby make it a bit more war toren

Currently working on:

- retexturing part of the map, trying to give it more of a 'Hollandisch athmosphere' :)
- making it more war toren ;)
- creating the second half of the axis territory
- getting my map to compile as it should :rolleyes:

NOTE: I do not have 'heaps of time' so it could last a few days before I'll come up with more news for as far as it concerns my map.

Until then :vader:

tomato

Originally posted by IR
ok so the arcitecture is getting abit better.. but the texture are still way off .. though i wouldnt jump on the dod_escape.wad been done alot lately :P

look around try to make some stuff yourself

couple of example buildings i did in dutch style:


samples (http://mapping.nuclear-dawn.net/arjanb/pages/level_demo.htm)

hope that helps


Damn very nice :dog:

very flat ... so add some rubble and stuff ... doors too .... open houses with no doors looks dumb

Hi,

due to problems with compiling I decided to declare this project 'dead'.
If you like you may download the .map version of dod_holland here (http://home.wanadoo.nl/atia/dod_holland.map)(1226kb).

When I have the time for it I will see what new project I could maybe start.

Cheers,

tomato :vader:

PS, use the following textures:
- dod_jagd
- dod_forest
- dod_caen
- hlbasics

That's just sad Killa!
What kind of probs, must be someone her who could help u!
Or maybe u just got tired of it...hmmm anyways it's sad to hear.
Well maybe someone will pick it up from here, would be nice to see it finnished.

That's just sad Killa!
What kind of probs, must be someone her who could help u!
Or maybe u just got tired of it...hmmm anyways it's sad to hear.
Well maybe someone will pick it up from here, would be nice to see it finnished.


I got tired of the probs, but thanks for your refreshing reply Spine :)

The map = 100% problem-free, but the compiling .... :mod:

Well, maybe later I will need your feedback again ;)

Sincerely yours,

tomato

add fog :)

the only reason it won't compile is because you got 5 invalided solid brushes .. i removed them and compiled without a problem

Wow!

What kind of monsterpc do you have! :eek:
I had to wait at least a day or 1,5. Well, it could be the brushes I suppose ...

But what I'm more curious about: did you like what you saw?

tomato

overall brushwork design is prety good but,
its very sloppy

way to many weird brushwork, not using null on non see faces
brushwork that costs way more resources then it should.. just because the wrong method's been used

however

i think you havent been mapping very long yet right ?
so its prety good and ive seen far worse :)

a very important thing is to always work tidy.. think about the brushwork your making always use null .. then place your texture
think about your materials ... does it make sence to use this material here ? i saw yo use a woodfloor texture on a trim of a house that doesnt make sence .. rooftiles on vertical walls that doesnt make sence either .. if you spend time thinking about materials and look around you,then your half way there .. learning the right methods of creating brushwork is a process you learn it along the way :)

here's how your windows are done
http://mapping.nuclear-dawn.net/arjanb/window1.jpg


here's how i make a window or floor or anything that involves a "carved" surface

http://mapping.nuclear-dawn.net/arjanb/window2.jpg

Hey IR, could you make a mapping tutorial for begginers someday?

please don't give up on this map, I have been following it with interest for a while now, it would be a shame if you didn't continue on with it :)

In fact I even signed up at the forums just to tell you this Tomato :) :hamster:

Originally posted by IR


http://mapping.nuclear-dawn.net/arjanb/window1.jpg


here's how i make a window or floor or anything that involves a "carved" surface

http://mapping.nuclear-dawn.net/arjanb/window2.jpg

What's the difference?

Originally posted by IR
ok so the arcitecture is getting abit better.. but the texture are still way off .. though i wouldnt jump on the dod_escape.wad been done alot lately :P

look around try to make some stuff yourself

couple of example buildings i did in dutch style:


samples (http://mapping.nuclear-dawn.net/arjanb/pages/level_demo.htm)

hope that helps

You iNw folk never cease to amaze me :)

As for dod_holland I say it doesn't look bad at all, but it really doesn't stand out either. Of course I really can't judge without any knowledge of how it plays, but as far as looks go it looks fine, just unremarkable. Oh, and that fountain in pic2 is way overused in DoD maps :)

tomato, if youre intrested on some high res door prop model... i was bored an made it, heres a pic:

http://img40.exs.cx/img40/9268/hiresdoor.jpg

Originally posted by Dwin
What's the difference?

it clearly shows less faces

Wow, looks really great jelly.
I'll certainly let you know :)

Yeah door is nice Gelly, but hardly any point in this dod edition,
maybe in dod s.
Btw what is that texture on the door supposed to look like?
Wood or camel vomit?:D

its a lil desature wood

one with border:
http://img45.exs.cx/img45/804/withborder.jpg
and one with red wood
http://img44.exs.cx/img44/6708/reddoor.jpg

Those doors look really great! Can I have them? I'll see if I can use them in my next project! :)

tomato

btw, you might want to only cut the doors out of the rest of the image, it would take less bandwith for the users with a slow connection :PARROT:

sure thing tomato,
heres the link:
http://mars.walagata.com/w/sproily/doors.zip

Originally posted by IR

couple of example buildings i did in dutch style:


samples (http://mapping.nuclear-dawn.net/arjanb/pages/level_demo.htm)

hope that helps

holy crap :eek:

Originally posted by Billie|Joe
holy crap :eek:

i second that motion!:PARROT:

O.k now. Here's some news about dod_holland.
I am stopping my project for sure,

but

I will try to make another map with the same layout. For now, I will try to do some research for as far as that goes.
It's not impossible that the next map will have another name, that's yet to be uncertain.

Any news about my next project will be posted in another thread.
Thanks for your feedback and support!

cheers,

tomato :dog: