Ok, this is getting unbearable!

The defeault Tommy MUST GO!!!

Please someone gimme some good news about a new Tommy model with new Animations that is going to be released SOON!!!

Search for the 3.1 tommy. It fits into 1.0 perfectly.

yeah but on the reload it cuts out before he pulls the bolt.

you dont pull the bolt back on the thompson when you reload IRL, thats why they took that out of the animation.

yes you do pull the bolt back!
You have to chamber the first round!

no..you dont. the thompson fires from the open bolt, therefore, once you put the magazine in its already ready to fire.

What the . . . .

Why does everyone hate the new thompson? Someone please, tell me whats wrong with it. I love it!

its to do with the origins and trueform.

the origins suck
trueform makes it look nearly cell-shaded and cartooney
the skin just plain sucks in areas.

there :D

Well I like the wood. I think yer talking about the metal yes? Ya know what would be sweet?
A skin like the thompson in the menu pic, menu of the game. It's dark metal, looks good.

Well I heres a sort of tempory fix; I made the forgrip to the right scale and shouldered it in this tread:
Thread (http://www.dayofdefeat.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2484)

Originally posted by Mike[1stid]
you dont pull the bolt back on the thompson when you reload IRL, thats why they took that out of the animation.

Um..YES YOU DO PULL THE BOLT! ..when ure reloading with HALF the clip empty..u DONT pull the bolt. WHen you reload when ur clip is FULLY empty..you have to pull the bolt

Ok idiot, I know what I'm ****ing talking about. The Thompson M1A1 fires from an open bolt configuration, meaning, when you empty a clip you DON'T need to pull the bolt back, for it is already back. Don't believe me? Go look it up, idiot. We don't need kids like you spitting out your ignorance of firearms to people.

its just like the m16. you do't have to pull the charging handel every time you throw in a new clip.

right, but with the m16 you have to hit that button on the left side to close the bolt and chamber the round.

Dirty Sancez

ATI Trueform can be turned off using console with the command ati_npatch 0.

but the mp40 also fires from an open bolt doesn't it? in dod he pulls the bolt. is the anim wrong or what?

no, the mp40 fires from a closed bolt, therefore you need to pull the bolt back to chamber a round. Grant it, i may have open and closed bolt mixed up, but i'm pretty sure i have them right.

M1A1 Tommy fires from an open bolt. Got that from our reenactor guy who owns two. One M1A1 and a 1928 "gangster."

You know what I say? WHO THE F*** CARES! Jesus, I know a lot about recent firearms and on almost ANY fully automatic weapon you must pull the bolt back to load the first bullet into the chamber (the place where the bullet is struck by the hammer at the back of the barrel). Now it my be that it doesn't need for it to be pulled but to the point where you start insulting people just over that, need to be shot by there own gun for all I care. I think some people forgot to take their ADD meds or some thing... *shakes a bottle of pills* :P

hey, i just told the guy that you dont need to, then he called me an idiot. And, apparently, YOU care, The Mirage, or else you wouldn't have taken the time to post what you just did.

Thompson M1A1's dont have hammers, the firing pin is milled out of the bolt.

Originally posted by Jack Handey
Thompson M1A1's dont have hammers, the firing pin is milled out of the bolt.

LOL....


Ok stop arguing people, we all know the thompson fires from open-bolt.

Now. Play nice or you will sit in the corner. Yes I mean that.

You do have to rechamber the first round when you reload the thompson and here's why:

- you fire off the full clip
- after the last round is fired, you keep holding the trigger until it goes *click*
- that click is the sound of the bolt going forward and hitting hitting nothing
- the bolt is now forward, but there is no recoil from another shot to blow it back again (this is how all weapons that aren't bolt/lever action work)
- you load a new magazine, and have to pull the bolt back to ready the gun for the next shot to be fired

do you have proof of this. i don't care but some one will ask so i save you the wait for some on else to.

It's just the basic structure of automatic weapons. If there is no way for the bolt to be pushed back, whether is be manually or by the recoil from the previous shot, the gun cannot fire. So when you're firing a full-auto gun, you hold down the trigger until it stops firing, that's how you know it's dry. So when you get to the end of the clip, the bolt goes forward, and it doesn't hit a bullet, which means no recoil, which means the bolt doesnt go back again. Therefore, the person firing the gun has to pull back the bolt afer reloading.

However, if you reload mid-clip, you will not have to pull back the bolt.

i get what you saying so mabye its the sound when you are out of bullits thats wrong, but, mabey not because, if it stuck back and its not like the m16 you have a button to push to close the bolt. so when you pull the trigger is closes?
correct me if i'm wrong all i know is nam era guns so.....

Doug, that is in a weapon with a close bolt configuration, like i said before, the thompson is an OPEN-BOLT configuration, which means, you DONT have to pull the bolt back after emptying a magazine.

Aye, let's make the way the Tommy reloads random in-game so we can please everyone...heh. :p

Anyway, what about the Sten? Open-bolt or in-game error? I know Glimsharp's Sten had the bolt pulled on reload.

- you fire off the full clip - you fire off the full clip
- after the last round is fired, you keep holding the trigger until it goes *click*
- that click is the sound of the bolt going forward and hitting hitting nothing
- the bolt is now forward, but there is no recoil from another shot to blow it back again (this is how all weapons that aren't bolt/lever action work)
- you load a new magazine, and have to pull the bolt back to ready the gun for the next shot to be fired

First off - The sound is not the "bolt going forward" but rather the firing pin hitting nothing, in order for a bolt to cycle you have to of fired a round.

When you insert a magazine in to the weapon you need to pull the bolt back and release it so that it chambers the next round, the only exception to this that I know of is the M16 that has a bolt release button on the side of the receiver. So in fact the animation should have the bolt being pulled back after you do a fresh load, however after reloads it DOES in fact fire from an open bolt. See I own the Semi-Auto version from Auto-Ord and according to BATF rules semi-automatics MUST fire from a closed bolt, however the military thompson fired from an open bolt I *think*.

Also while we're on the topic of wrong animations lets talk about the M1911A1, first off when the weapon is empty the slide stays back, when you insert the new magazine you close the slide by pressing the "slide catch" located on the left of the frame, in the current animation the soldier presses down the saftey.

Originally posted by Mike[1stid]
hey, i just told the guy that you dont need to, then he called me an idiot. And, apparently, YOU care, The Mirage, or else you wouldn't have taken the time to post what you just did.

I am not talking about the subject of the bolt pull or not thats what I do not care to fight over. The main reason I posted is for one reason and that is to flame the god damn flamers for acting like they can put people down with words. Take it easy there fellow or a moderator will have his eye on ya!

Even though the thompson must be replaced this is the worst thread ever

Thompson M1 and Mp40 both fires from an OPEN BOLT and utilises simple blowback. After firing the last round, you HAVE to pull and lock the bolt back. And you CANT chamber a round with an OPEN BOLT firearm.

To load the gun, stuff the mag in, pull back the bolt and LOCK it at the back position

When bolt is held back, when the trigger depressed, the bolt rides forward, picks up a round from the magazine, rams it into the chamber, and fires it with the fixed FIRING PIN. Unless your finger releases the trigger EXACTLY at 30 rounds, we're all arent that fast, so the bolt goes to FORWARD position after the last round. (yes you have to pull the bolt back and there is no hammer in thompson M1 and mp40 whatsoever)

pls get your facts right before posting

btw, read my thread, the animations are wrong.
http://www.dayofdefeat.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3932

A simple animation showing simple open bolt blowback weapon
http://people.howstuffworks.com/machine-gun4.htm

Originally posted by Hammer
First off - The sound is not the "bolt going forward" but rather the firing pin hitting nothing, in order for a bolt to cycle you have to of fired a round.

When you insert a magazine in to the weapon you need to pull the bolt back and release it so that it chambers the next round, the only exception to this that I know of is the M16 that has a bolt release button on the side of the receiver. So in fact the animation should have the bolt being pulled back after you do a fresh load, however after reloads it DOES in fact fire from an open bolt. See I own the Semi-Auto version from Auto-Ord and according to BATF rules semi-automatics MUST fire from a closed bolt, however the military thompson fired from an open bolt.


You obviously don't know what you're talking about. The Thompson does not even have a firing pin, per say. The sound of the 'firing pin' hitting nothing is the sound of the bolt going forward. Also, since the thompson fires from an open bolt, it doesnt chamber a round until you pull the trigger and the bolt slams forward.

For any of you who don't know what open bolt means, as hammer obviosly doesn't, here goes:

When you load the magazine into the gun, you then pull back the bolt and it stays locked back. The bolt is now open (hence the phrase open-bolt). When you squeeze the trigger, the bolt slams forward, which loads a bullet into the firing position and immediately fires it. The recoil from the discharged round forces the bolt back into its locked-open position, and if you are still holding the trigger, the process is repeated. Now, when you run through an entire clip, the last shot is fired and the bolt goes back. If you are super-human you would release the trigger just then and the bolt would stay back, but nobody on earth is that fast, so it slams back forward. Since there are no more bullets to fire, the bolt stays forward, and you have to lock it back in place after loading the next magazine.

If anyone still disagrees with me they are incompetant.

Originally posted by Devearica
Anyway, what about the Sten? Open-bolt or in-game error? I know Glimsharp's Sten had the bolt pulled on reload.

Why not just export the 3.1 thompson skins using HLMV then import it unto the 1.0 model? Thats what I did

You obviously don't know what you're talking about. The Thompson does not even have a firing pin, per say.

http://www.tommygunshop.com/images/asm_rc_tm1_tm1c.gif

Part 15 - Firing pin.

Originally posted by Hammer
http://www.tommygunshop.com/images/asm_rc_tm1_tm1c.gif

Part 15 - Firing pin.
owned:D
i love the sig doug but you were owned:rolleyes:

http://www3.sympatico.ca/k.jess/DODStuff/tommy.jpg

Hmmm? :confused:

RealyPsd is that stock tommgun model? :O

No, that's ls3's one from before 1.0, I've converted it though.

Might touch up on the origins before it's released.

I don't know much about firearms, but what's the point of a gun having a cocking handle if you don't ever have to use it...

Originally posted by F_F
What the . . . .

Why does everyone hate the new thompson? Someone please, tell me whats wrong with it. I love it!

i agree....

Originally posted by Hammer
http://www.tommygunshop.com/images/asm_rc_tm1_tm1c.gif

Part 15 - Firing pin.

ok, I was wrong saying there was no firing pin, and I'll give you that, but everything else I said was correct, since the firing pin is fixed to the bolt.

beauty is in the eyes of the beholder :-D

ok, I was wrong saying there was no firing pin, and I'll give you that, but everything else I said was correct, since the firing pin is fixed to the bolt.

You should give me more than that ****-bird, look at what I wrote in my first post.

"First off - The sound is not the "bolt going forward" but rather the firing pin hitting nothing, in order for a bolt to cycle you have to of fired a round."

That was true, it is infact the firing pin not HITTING THE PRIMER OF THE BULLET.

"When you insert a magazine in to the weapon you need to pull the bolt back and release it so that it chambers the next round, the only exception to this that I know of is the M16 that has a bolt release button on the side of the receiver. So in fact the animation should have the bolt being pulled back after you do a fresh load, however after reloads it DOES in fact fire from an open bolt."

Hey that's right too, tell me geinus how do you get a bullet in the firearm to begin with? the bolt must be pulled back, that is why we have things called charging handles.

"So in fact the animation should have the bolt being pulled back after you do a fresh load, however after reloads it DOES in fact fire from an open bolt. "

Oh look, I'm right again there!

You obviously don't know what you're talking about. The Thompson does not even have a firing pin, per say. The sound of the 'firing pin' hitting nothing is the sound of the bolt going forward. Also, since the thompson fires from an open bolt, it doesnt chamber a round until you pull the trigger and the bolt slams forward.

Then you obviously don't know how to read, get off your high-horse kid you're not impressing anybody.

Close this thread please. Everybody in here is giving me a headache and it's nothing but a flaming war. I'm not sure if anyone in here has actually fired a Thompson so if you have not...please stop *****ing about it being wrong because no matter what you read in a google page doesn't make you an expert...it only means you know how to type "Thompson MG" in a search window.

The only experts are those that own or have fired one.

Well im no expert, but the last one i fired had to be manually cocked and locked back before a new magazine would fit in properly, and after the new mag was fitted in you "snap" pulled-back the bolt so it would slide forward and load a round into the chamber. It would stay closed (or forward) after the gun fired the last round in the mag.

(This was one loaded with a drum magazine)

Which is pretty much half way between what the 1.0 model and the 3.1 models do lol.

BUT since there are so many variations of model, and also differences due to certain laws in different places, i have no idea what the Military Issue WWII ones did.

the one in DOD is a Thompson M1, you can differentiate it with the 1982 version, the m1 has the c0cking handle at the right rather on top. And wolfsglen, you cant chamber a round with an open bolt weapon, which is what a Thompson M1 is.

*PS
there's one member on the forums who has a very kewl sig, showed Tom Hanks firing the Thompson M1, note the bolt position before firing.

The guy in the videos Kell posted in the General forums pulls the handle to shoot (actually he forgets to do it and tries to shoot without pulling the handle at first ):)

To Hammer:

Now I have no idea what you are arguing. All I'm saying is that the people who say the thompson doesn't need to be c0cked after reloading are wrong. That is my statement, that you have to c0ck the thompson after reloading, and when you c0ck it, the bolt does not go back forward until the trigger is pulled. Now that I've stated it twice in a row, everyone may understand.

And how can the click sound be from the firing pin hitting the back of the bullet, when there are no bullets left in the gun?

And I never resorted to name-calling, especially nothing as needless and immature as ****-bird, and I expect you to do the same, since we're all mature here (hopefully).

Originally posted by rabbity
the one in DOD is a Thompson M1, you can differentiate it with the 1982 version, the m1 has the c0cking handle at the right rather on top. And wolfsglen, you cant chamber a round with an open bolt weapon, which is what a Thompson M1 is.

*PS
there's one member on the forums who has a very kewl sig, showed Tom Hanks firing the Thompson M1, note the bolt position before firing.

No idea, but i have a PDF Owners Handbook for the one i fired that details the loading/firing procedure just as i said above, its when you "snap" pull the bolt-then close it that chambers the round. I just read here that the bolt only stays open on a conventional STICK magazine after firing the last round, it DOES shut/close when using a Drum mag (hence why you have to pull it back before loading a new one according to this. weird).

I will have to put this manual up online, makes for a good read lol.

Like i said, there so many variations, and some have been "nerfed" to comply with various laws about Auto/Semi weapons that its hard to go by anythin but a certificated "original" WW2 issue, and even some of them have been modded due to laws (IE semi-auto conversions etc)

WHO CARES!?!?!?

Arguing won't get us anywhere, and besides, the Tommy I'm going to release in my pack is going to rock. Nice black metal with an awesome wood skin WITH Sgt. Fury's animations edited by me...so be on the lookout.

Originally posted by rabbity
Thompson M1 and Mp40 both fires from an OPEN BOLT and utilises simple blowback. After firing the last round, you HAVE to pull and lock the bolt back. And you CANT chamber a round with an OPEN BOLT firearm.

To load the gun, stuff the mag in, pull back the bolt and LOCK it at the back position

When bolt is held back, when the trigger depressed, the bolt rides forward, picks up a round from the magazine, rams it into the chamber, and fires it with the fixed FIRING PIN. Unless your finger releases the trigger EXACTLY at 30 rounds, we're all arent that fast, so the bolt goes to FORWARD position after the last round. (yes you have to pull the bolt back and there is no hammer in thompson M1 and mp40 whatsoever)

pls get your facts right before posting

btw, read my thread, the animations are wrong.
http://www.dayofdefeat.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3932

A simple animation showing simple open bolt blowback weapon
http://people.howstuffworks.com/machine-gun4.htm

rabbity, the site you got your information from shows the m1928 thompson NOT the thompson m1a1. The thompson m1a1 and the thompson m1928 fire from different configurations.

To Doug: You arrogance in your reply to my post was uncalled for as well, I'm sorry I called you a ****-bird.

Yeah, this whole thing sure got caried away for such a mundane topic.....

No hard feelings eh?

/offers handshake

mike
yes i know the differences, in the animation you pointed out, it IS how the thompson m1/m1a1 works. (the c0cking handle is at the wrong position, so it looks like a M1928 version rather)

The M1928A1 "Tommy Gun", a delayed blowback submachine gun. It was issued to armored and reconnaissance units. It was selective for semi- or fully-automatic fire. It fired a .45 cal. cartridge (Colt .45 ACP) in 20- or 30-round magazines, 50-round, or a 100-round drum. It had a leaf with aperture notch battle sight. It's rate of fire was 600-725 rpm. Original Thompson's could fire close to 1200 rpm.

^^Delayed Blowback
this version it fired from a closed bolt

The Submachine Gun, Cal. .45, M1/M1A1 Thompson was a blowback submachine gun. It was selective for semi- or fully-automatic fire. It fired a .45 cal. cartridge in 20- or 30-round magazines. It's rate of fire was 700 rpm. The gun was reliable, and continued to operate when similar weapons would have failed due to exposure to battle-field conditions (354,000).

^^Simple Blowback
this version fired from an open bolt

http://www.hk94.com/m1thompson.htm

Some references
M1/M1a1 parts (http://www.nfatoys.com/tsmg/web/m1assy.htm)
a model similar to M1928 parts (http://www.nfatoys.com/tsmg/web/tsmgipb.htm)