Koln has been my all time favourite map. When I see a server running it, Ill join. So ive decided to do a recreation of it. Ive done the Axis side of the track so far:

http://mars.walagata.com/w/chrisimages/KC1.JPG
http://mars.walagata.com/w/chrisimages/KC2.JPG
http://mars.walagata.com/w/chrisimages/KC3.JPG
http://mars.walagata.com/w/chrisimages/KC4.JPG

Waldo, im going to stop here until I get your permission to continue with this project. Tell me what I can and cannot do. I would PM you, but your box is full. dod_koln? dod_koln_classic?

Thanks in advance.

it looks cool, i hope old waldo gives u permission cos that was one of the best old time maps. :)

looks cooler than cool! nice job neutrino, again :)

Random prob doesn't mean stop, cause we all want you to continue, waldo might not even ever see this post for all we know. Anyway if u stop making koln remake, at least change the name and make a different city.

Originally posted by RaNd0M
you shouldnt really try and "re-create" such a classic map as i dont believe anyone can do it justice.

Do you not like Koln?

The reason Im doing this is because Koln is my favourite map. Hopefully Waldo does see this post, and maybe someone can inform him. And I pray that Waldo lets me keep Koln somewhere in the name, because thats what Im doing this for. Its going to be my last map before I stop playing DOD, and I want to leave with pride :rolleyes:

....And the oscar goes to.....

Neutrino!



:p :p :p :p

I believe waldo already has an updated version of koln setting on his hd just waiting to be released, prolly wont see in a long while if at all though.

I asked for permission to remake Koln months ago but never got a reply, besides Waldo already has an updated version ready for release apparently.

Im sorry Random, im not going to stop because of you. Im going to wait for Waldo, even if it takes a million years. You say I will ruin it? I guess you dont have any trust in my mapping. And im going through the level step by step to recreate it, make it look better, and make it more fun. People love dod_hill_classic and dod_heateu_b1, why wouldnt they like this? Trust me, i will go through great amounts of testing with people to make this as perfect as possible, and I just Waldo's support.

Originally posted by RaNd0M
anyways leave koln in all its current glory and make something you have created :>

I have started the brushwork from scratch soo...and I decided for this to be my last map. Sure, im recreating a level, but that is what a lot of maps are (same look, different paths...sometimes maps have a similar layout, but different look) Koln is fun, great. (period)

This is a new one. Im not stopping people from playing the old one, but it seems time has.

looks good! give us on an update on the progress with waldo and the map

Originally posted by FuzzDad
Waldo and I were chatting last night and when we can get to it we're going to try and release custom night versions of our maps dod_glider and dod_caen (the 1.2 versions of each). [...]
I have a working (and cleaner) version of my old dod_factory map that I'll probably release as a custom (easier to navigate now that we have the overview...if a map ever need3d an overview it was that one) and I think Waldo would like to release his updated koln and a redone hedgerow [...]
http://www.dayofdefeat.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=34324&highlight=koln

It seems like you guys dont want this to be done? Im waiting for Waldo. And that post was made 2 months ago. I could have this map done and tested by the end of the month.

and you didnt get the most important part of that post...

"(but I'll let him speak to those) if he can find the time (he's VERY busy these days on secret squirrel stuff)."

Originally posted by RaNd0M
go ahead, take a great map and ruin it, tis cool, if there is a heaven and a hell you certainly will not get a welcome in heaven

Why don't you relax? Since when do you have the definitive authority on what's a good map and what isn't? I didn't see you going all off on FloMatic about heutau. It's the same deal and Neutrino is just waiting for Waldo to respond...jeeze.

Flomatic had the original Heutau rmf and permission from the author though.

And Neutrino is here trying to contact the author...

I think its only random who doesn't want you to make the map neutrino, but the rest of us do and hopefully waldo too.

Looking nice Neutrino!
I dont care if this is a remake of an older map cause i've
never played the old one, and therefore wouldn't have
anything to compair the result with,
but personaly I wouldent remake a map (if I could) cause
I think it's more fun to use my own ideas.
But anyways from looking at the pics this looks nice,
like the textures, brushwork and the sky, what sky is that btw?

Hope u get the go ahead that u want...
:)

Originally posted by RaNd0M
go ahead, take a great map and ruin it, tis cool, if there is a heaven and a hell you certainly will not get a welcome in heaven


edit by Donner: calm down or begone

yes, what is your problem with him remaking this map.

Koln was a great map, and by the look of those screenshots it seems neutrino has the skills to "do justice" to the map. I (and most here) would like to see him complete this map since i would like to play this classic map again.

by remakeing a map, ur not just copying it. your paying tribute to the original map and maker. and your also making it so others can have the joy of playing a classic.

and what has heaven and hell got to do with remaking a map?

you certainly will not get a welcome in heaven

do u think u are god? You have absolutely NO right so say that.

Thanks for most of your support guys. Nomad, i really liked what you said here, "by remakeing a map, ur not just copying it. your paying tribute to the original map and maker. and your also making it so others can have the joy of playing a classic." I bet most of those who are thinking that this isnt a good idea (to recreate the map) never play koln, because servers usually do not run it. Im hoping, if I release this, some server will run this map (like the Kustom Kettle and other famous servers) so lots of people can enjoy the intense action this map offers.

BTW, the sky is named DarkHollow i believe. I use it in dod_neutrino, so if you cant find it, just download that map.

i would really enjoy a brand new koln! that pics look very promising. i hope it gets the same awesome atmosphere koln had! :) Good luck with this!

Pics look good, nice to see some older maps getting a visual upgrade more in line with DoDs current new maps.

Technically Sturm is a remake of Merderent which was a remake of Ramelle so I don't see why you couldn't release this but just use a different name and state "inspired by dod_koln"

To be honest, its a custom map and with a different name it wont conflict with dod_koln even if Fuzz and Waldo re-release Koln and it should happen to go official.

the name is known and thats one of the key things to success. "Hey, i remember koln, i loved that map, ill download this" Get what Im saying? Anyways like Ive said many times, Im going to wait (and probably wait...wait...and wait) until Waldo responds before I do another step. Maybe me and him can make an agreement *Neutrino brings out his wallet* :D

some of my previous comments were not called for, you did however post in a public forum and should have expected someone like myself to object, sorry for the harsh words

Originally posted by RaNd0M
some of my previous comments were not called for, you did however post in a public forum and should have expected someone like myself to object, sorry for the harsh words

I should expect stupid comments? And you are saying that? Maybe if you could control yourself. Who the heck would say that since Im making a recreation map, that Im going to go to hell? that is one of the worste things I have ever heard. Anyways, lets never speak of that again.

I must say from what I see here this looks promising. The first screen shot almost made me crap my pants. My only complaint is that I wish that there was a little more dirt/rubble around. I hope that Waldo gives you the go ahead because this map looks great.

Best of luck!

awesome work Neutrino!! it would be nice to see this soon released! it was ever still pfun to play it.. with bots aswell as on public servers in the good old 3.1 times :D
i remember this map from the first times... as the map was called dod_stalingrad :p

keep on your good work.. i really like your maps! ;)

Cool, nice work, i love koln too, it's a must needed update :) .

In which wad i could find the train textures you're using?

OMG i love Koln,i want this Map !!!!!!!

Originally posted by Star Wars Kid
I must say from what I see here this looks promising. The first screen shot almost made me crap my pants. My only complaint is that I wish that there was a little more dirt/rubble around. I hope that Waldo gives you the go ahead because this map looks great.

Best of luck!

Almost made you crap your pants? I guess thats not good enough then! ;) I think those pictures hide the rubble though, because scrolling in Valve Hammer Editor (wooooh), theres a lot.

Thank you.

Cool, go for it!

I am hoping Koln can make a return on the new engine. Some cool stuff could be in there that I always wanted to try...

That was pretty fast, thx waldo for giving neutrino the go ahead.

Good luck neutrino

Yeah Good luck neutrino.

Best Wises
Musso

Go Neutrino Go, do the map justice, give a tribute to one of the best maps made for the betas. I'm sure looking forward to this.

Thank you Waldo, i appreciate it. If you have anything you want me to do or add to the map, just tell me or email me at thecarnage55@hotmail.com

I'm making sure this has atmosphere up the wazoo,.

Good luck, looks great!

any more screens?

Well this wasnt a real Work In Progress thread. Ill set one up in a week or two. So just wait :p

Awwwwwww....:(

neutrino, what kind of wad or u using for ur koln map?

textures from all sorts of wads. Im looking for specific textures to match my idea in my head, and they must have a certain appearance and style. Once Im done, ill throw them all together in one file.

koln 3.1 WAS THE BESTEST MAP EVAAAR!!! :P

I soooo <3<3<3 that map, please dont change it to much the original layout is great

This is awesome! Thanks for the recreation!


also if u can.. maybe try remaking dod_oslo. I sooooo loved that map!:D

i just recently came back from vacation so im going to continue the work.

Heres a picture of the track area.

http://mars.walagata.com/w/chrisimages/track.JPG

It looks a little brighter than the other pics, only because I raised my ingame brightness. The lighting is the same as in the first pictures.

Looks good so far.

I for one love the ol'school maps. I hope to see the fruits of your labor soon. I have Koln in my rotation off/on and just repackaged it so it would run under 1.x.

But if you are going to update it, I'd love to see it.

*BUMP*

Sorry, dont usually do this bumping stuff but i like what
Neutrino is doing here and read that you needed some
textures, maybe you can use some from my wad.

Now my style of textures might not suite the look you already
have on your map, but have a look u never know...
If there is something u could use but need it tweeked a little,
then contact me and I will fix.

DOWNLOAD (http://www.spillmodding.no/filer/wads/spineCollectionWAD.zip)

Thanx

i saw a few good ones in there. ill use a few, just for u. :)

:mod:

Yeah!
Now this map is gonna rock!:D

koln would make me like dod again.

Heres another part of the track area:

http://neutrinomapping.com/kolntrack.jpg

Some comments/criticism

You might want to get some reference pictures for your box car. The wheel base (for lack of a better term) it too wide. Also, trains rarely have just two sets of wheels. I believe standard train gauge is 4 feet 8 in (at least in the US)

The airplane model looks nice but a little too bright/clean.

The lighting is awesome and I love the textures.

Yah. I thought the plane tail was too bright. ill dirty up the texture and rename the model.

As for the cart, hehe, I was just guessing and trying to just put something together. If somebody has some pictures they could send me, I would appreciate. Im searching, but failing.

It looks empty :confused:

Well, that is a train track area, so im sure they would have wanted a clear path to travel. What would u suggest I put there?

Here's a 5 second google search:

http://www.orgsites.com/mo/beltonrailroad/wab1.gif

I'm pretty sure its not european but it is from the 1940's. Its a start at least.

Here is another one and its actually from Germany.

http://www.oprfhs.org/division/library/tlc/trips/patger/boxcar.jpg

very nice.

if the rspeeds are nice and low around the track.

try make the actual rails out of brushes like in dod_carantan. i doubt they eat up many polys and they add a nice effect.

Yes silver ghost, I was considering that. And StarWarsKid, I made the airplane tail dirtier and darker, and fixed the wheels of the carts to match those reference pictures, mostly the first one.

Those tracks annoy me, id be making them brush based and all high poly damn hl1!!!!


Good work so far.

Koln was such a great map and from the looks of those screenshots.. i might need new trousers. I adore your attention to detail, such as the tiny rubble piles covering the train tracks. Superb. I thought i was the only one who ever liked koln.

neutrino, keep up the good work, 907th guild love this map and a new look to it will be fun to play.

I will keep watching for a final version to host it and try it out. We appreciate the other one you did ;)

We have a lot of old dod player that love those old map.

Keep up the good work.

>S<
[907th] Maj. CoolHandLuke

Yeah Neutrino, please some more screens....:p

im trying im trying! :D

any modeler out there want to help me with a little something simple? Its something to do with the train cart wheels. If anyone wants a small project to do, and their name in the txt file (THATS RIGHT. YOUR NAME IN THE KOLN TXT FILE!!!!! :rolleyes: ) then can you message me? thanks! I think this should be really basic.

im free atm :x

just pm me or sumthing.. ill give you my msn or something

or join #cin on gamesurge, im there to :)

neutrino, just to let you know: the model is done, skinned and compiled...
catch you on msn or irc

w00t
I loved koln, and when they took koln out of rotation, I was sad. Had to be THE map that kept me playing DOD in the early days. For those that loved this map, you are the few that like a chalenging map that has more than 1 route to the same destination, where your wits, not your fire power, won the map, and who are not scared of a little atmosphere (too many players run from maps that are not bright and sunny)

I loved Koln, almost everything about it was perfect (almost because there was some rubble that caused you to get stuck and sometimes "~kill" yourself, remove those minor problems and koln = the best ever)

I would love to see koln getting released again, and have found a server that has it on rotation (one of grim's servers)

One concern I have is that if you keep koln dark, you will lose 1/2 the players right off the bat, those that are scared of the dark. That was koln's major down fall, not a high-noon map. I personaly loved koln, hedgerow, thunder (thunder was it? what donner was before it was flipped mirror-image) I liked the low level lighting. But as we saw with thunder, once it got a brighter feel to it, it went from:
"damn I hate this level"
to
"w00t, donner, the best map 3var!!1"

I will play koln, by you, by waldo, bright, dark, what ever, it is a damn good map, BUT THINK OF THE CHILDREN!! if people drop because of the map lighting I will be playing with frecking bots again.

New pictures. Say thank you to Bolt for the wheel models.

http://www.neutrinomapping.com/dkc1.JPG
http://www.neutrinomapping.com/dkc2.JPG

Now that I got that issue out of the way, its time to start the Allies side of the map. The entire Axis side of the map is done, and also the track, the middle. So like I said, just need to do the Allies side then its time for playtesting.

But School is starting...nooo

no problem =)

Looks good!

Nice! Good job Bolt!

Originally posted by Neutrino
New pictures. Say thank you to Bolt for the wheel models.


So um how do we lay our hands onto those there above mentioned wheel models?
;)

PS maps looking as fine as a hot blonde from sweden :)

you have to wait till this map gets released before you can get your hands on the model

Originally posted by S-Bolt--
you have to wait till this map gets released before you can get your hands on the model

Sweet

*waits, plays with thumbs, is it released yet? now rinse and repeat ten times*

Waldo. I need to ask you a few questions, but I dont want to here. Ill try PMing you again, hopefully you cleared out your box. If not, can you PM me a contact or just clear some messages in your inbox.

-EDIT-

Yah, I think I just successfuly sent you a PM. yay. :dog:

Ok guys. this will probably be the last post of mine in this thread. I need to ask you players what you DID and DID NOT like about the factory. It is on the Allies side of the map. What should be removed? What should be added? What should stay the same?

What? Where? What factory? What, a map?
Can I d load? Where? Why the last post?
Did I miss something, oh no!?
Sorry I'm all confused now, is it a picture somewhere maybe..?
Don't tell me the map is finnished and no one told me?!:eek:

are you making the beta 3.1 koln, or the earlyer 1.3 one.

i think the 1.3 one was better, just make that :)

Ok. just to clarify.

My koln is not done. Im just asking what you guys think about the regular Koln. What do you think about the factory side of the Allies map?

And there is little difference between the 1.3 and the 3.1 koln.

Im using the 3.1 spawn system forsure, because it prevents spawn camping. And in 1.3 Koln there were no pipes infront of the Allies spawn. Are you saying you dont want that?

3.1 koln = win, re-create that exactly and you have a weiner! by weiner i mean winner.

the only thing I didn't like in the factory was when you came in from the railyard there was a room over on the left handside with a silo kind of thing there, seemed kinda pointless and I don't recall ever seeing anyone in there. Maybe remove that?

Other then that it was all fine :)

it added to the atmosphere, not everything needs to be squared away nice and tidy like - i dont see why mappers these days dont do it more often - having areas that look nice but mean nothing.

win.

the answer is r_speeds.

anyways, im not removing that. its going to make it a little uneven having the Allies with one less path to the middle. Im just going to change it around a tich and make the factory look more like a factory.

always looked like a factory to me :/

anyways, one thing i was going to suggest is you know those 2 tunnels that lead from the 3 tank zone to the grass area by the sniper loft, i was going to say perhaps make the tunnels so you can walk thru and dont have to duck - today you dont have the time to spend half a minute crouching thru a pipe. just a suggestion.

Ok. i cant stop posting :p

heres first pics on the ally side

Spawn exit:
http://mars.walagata.com/w/chrisimages/ally1.JPG

Outside flag 1:
http://mars.walagata.com/w/chrisimages/ally2.JPG

Side of the track (where the grass used to be):
http://mars.walagata.com/w/chrisimages/ally3.JPG

Question:

Do you like the sky?
Would you prefer the sky used in Chemille?

I like the sky you're using now.

Also, the first 5 pages of screenshots are all down - but these three were worth it. Very nice work.

Ok settled down a bit know...:D
Sky looks like it fits well with the rest,
cant say much else, cause I havent tried koln before,
at least not that I can remember.
God work!

Just don't spam models, especially the vehicles. The hedache of bad clip brushes and wasted FPS isn't worth the extra detail all the time.

when i clip models, i use both the clip texture and the actual material. I will base the actual material inside of the model, and make sure I cannot see it passing outside the model. Then with the clip texture, I will make sure the player will not be able to get a foot or any body part pass through the model. You know what I mean? Just dont worry about clipping.

Also, since this is a small street/house combat map, the models arent a big issue. So its good to make it look a little more higher quality. In the middle, where its such a huge battle area, I cut down on the models. I have the train wheels (those are models), and a few hedgehogs here and there.

Im going to test the heck out of this map with many communities before I get a release out aswell, to make sure things are as close to perfect as possible. I hope to start that within a few weeks. 2 or 3.

Looks good so far, the only thing I can suggest is to use a destroyed trim edge to the buildings and floors that are broken up.

Sky seems ok, but a bit bland

the rest looks good

99% done

Allies first capture:
http://mars.walagata.com/w/chrisimages/nk1.JPG

Allies spawn:
http://mars.walagata.com/w/chrisimages/nk2.JPG

Nice :)

Release: soon ;)

just out of interest, did you manage to get a copy of the rmf from waldo or did you decompile it? The reason I'm asking this is I'm miffed on how people figure out the right sizes for everything unless they do decompile to get a rough estimate.

Anyway maps looking dam nice boss :) can't wait for release...

I PMed him for it once I reached half, but I never got it. So I had to do it all. :( Its no biggy though.

looking good netrino. I look forward to playing it in SLDL :)

Ok its done! so you wont see any new info on this until playtesting begins. I just need to set those up. Hopefully by next weekend (I cant this weekend because its jammed up with personal stuff)

Congratulations!
And a little congratulation for you beeing the first one compiling a map with at least ONE of my textures in it...
Thanx!:D

EDIT: meh bad spelling

is there a source version of dod_koln?

Oldest Thread Necromancia on record. Congrats :)

To my knowledge, no map is named dod_koln, however there may be one that shares the same layout.

Indeed. As far as I know, there aren't any maps that even share the same layout as koln.

Like I ever do anything by the book :^)

I probably said it somewhere else (or earlier in this thread) but there are two things that would be cool to do in a Koln rebuild. First, make the rail yard continue on (via skybox). Second, have some nice low flying airplanes also in the skybox. Maybe some big burning buildings too.

Nazi Attack Dogs with Killer Bee's shooting from their mouths and friggin lazerbeam eyes.

Waldoman...get cracking on a remake. It's not like you have anything else to do...

Just make a Spanish map while you're there. Remember, those windows on that plaza are begging for LODs :)