I want to make a second and better version of my heer models and I'm looking for suggestions on improving them.

Change List
X Sniper's badge removed.
- Stosstruppe helmet will be changed to a wire helmet
X Reskinned equipment
X Rearranged equipment
X Shovel replaced with Hitlerjugend (Hiter Youth) knife on Unteroffizier (SS version only)
X Camouflage smock for sniper
X Eagle insignia removed from left arms
X New head models/altered faces
X removed arm patch from unteroffizier as that rank had no arm patch

X = Completed
O = 2nd additions
O = 3rd additions

I'm looking for more suggestions so bring them on if you have them.

First of all you can read my comment on the release it have some suggestions.

About the hitlerjugend... ;/
afaik the hitlerjugend that fought were fighting under an SS divsion, i would add a normal issued k98 bayonet to their gear.

what i suggest in general - look on pictures look on picutres and look on pictures !
it really helps creating something nice, unique and most important of all original, most of the axis packs so far are just one big mix of all kinds of german insignia, uniforms and equipment.

first of all u should remove the sleeve eagle
then u must look that the armpatches which represent the rank fit to the collartabs and shoulderboards ,except that the rest is great

but maybe u can give them new gear and maybe the sniper wearing the kind of jacket which the default models wear or some kind of camo worn over his fieldgrey uniform so that u still see his collartabs that would be cool - something like that :
http://www.btinternet.com/~d.dashwood/david.affs/images/ss_smock_03a.jpg
and maybe u can give the sturmtruppe the snipers hat and the sniper the Sturmtruppe´s hat

Head model...

What are you talking abotu head model, the faces look good on the default head model, I don't like the way the face look on Jed' head at all, they do not work together.

i like these models loads btw, they are excellent so i cant wait for v2.

i am not sure if you just skin, or skin and model but i think it would be pukka to have this blue undergarment (there must be a name, goes from hood to arms and body, im guessing). i think only the SS wore it but im not sure. i am also not sure how it would look when animated, if it would be stretched and what not, otherwise it would be a pretty nice addition.

http://www.angelfire.com/sk3/uniformss/images/SS_M1944_dotpattern_uni.jpg

I like these, vgj:D

Originally posted by Felix
What are you talking abotu head model, the faces look good on the default head model, I don't like the way the face look on Jed' head at all, they do not work together.

Meh, just a thought...

i also think you should change the default head model...

Originally posted by Mortar
First of all you can read my comment on the release it have some suggestions.

About the hitlerjugend... ;/
afaik the hitlerjugend that fought were fighting under an SS divsion, i would add a normal issued k98 bayonet to their gear.



However some men who served had prior served in the Hitlerjugend (Hitler Youth) Before joining the Military, and kept their knife. However not many were of NCO status, and it should indeed be a K98 bayonet, or SS Dagger (Find pic soon, I will)

The head will remain as it is, it will not be changed. I already said several times that the face textures do not fit well on Jed's head model at all. I have tried putting the faces onto 4 different head models including: Max Payne 2 head models, RTCW head model, Jed's head model, and the default. The default suits them the best out of all of these.

I'll make it a bayonet, but keep the hitler youth knife for the SS version.

it is just my opinion. but i really think if you spent sometime on jeds head model and moved around some verticles on it and move around the mesh abit i think it would look 20 times better then they do now.

heres a 10 minute edit with jeds head, if you spend aliitle more time im sure it would look real good on it

i dont like jeds head - i think the current head is ok despite i prefer the rtcw heads ,but those faces look all very similar maybe u can find some more different faces

Originally posted by gabagoo
it is just my opinion. but i really think if you spent sometime on jeds head model and moved around some verticles on it and move around the mesh abit i think it would look 20 times better then they do now.

heres a 10 minute edit with jeds head, if you spend aliitle more time im sure it would look real good on it

Listen to the man! (small boy!)

Okay you have convinced me gab...I'll try it.

Gab's right, it looks much better. In any case, this is my favorite Axis player model set. Keep it up.

The smock idea for Sturmtruppen sounds great, so does the rolled up sleeves on the Stoss. :)

Originally posted by Felix
Okay you have convinced me gab...I'll try it.
:D

Okay...I couldn't get a good looking version on Jed's hea dmodel...but here is what I did do: http://www.lagcs.com/newfaces.jpg

Whoa those look very good :D

11/10 ;)

Those heads are beautiful, if maybe just a touch cartoonishly oversized. Keep them, though.

Originally posted by =DD=Wolf Kahler
Those heads are beautiful, if maybe just a touch cartoonishly oversized. Keep them, though.

The head models are nearly the exact same size as the defaults...

awsome work...

looking much much much better

do you mind if i ask what head models those are ?

They are from Max Payne 2.

Okay, I finished the new heads...but to be honest I'm not sure I'm happy with them. You can also see other changes including the new sniper jacket, the absence of eagle insignia on the sleeve, and some of the new gear.

http://www.lagcs.com/heerv2.jpg
Edit: http://www.lagcs.com/newgear.jpg


If anyone has any more suggestions, comments, ideas, opinions, anything at all please express it, I want to here your opinions on where it's at now.

PERFECT. The heads look excellent. Please release!

awwww poor little baby axis need their blankies to go to war

Originally posted by Pvt.Malarkey
awwww poor little baby axis need their blankies to go to war
security blanket, never leave home without it !111111111

Those aren't blankets, not to spoil the joke, but they're 'zeltbahns' which means 'tent train' according to my translator...

http://www.angelfire.com/tn3/luftwaffefeld/images/zeltwear.jpg

make the sniper wearing the zeltbahn thing

that would be sweet

The heads look great. If only the textures didn't get so blurred in HL....

http://www.lagcs.com/ingame.jpg

looks good.

I'am finding the officers cap to very different and quite possibly, an non-existant model in the German Heer. I have yet to find a model number or hat existing to what was shown in this pack--its almost like the Hat's had some British/Amero influences put into it.

The shape, and size is more then a little off--it looks more like a box or a crown; not an officers Cap. Look at the sideview in your pictures--its hardly to any Hat the Germans used. Will this be fixed?

That hat has no German basis in it--it seems too small, and quite honestly, seems like a different model hat not even issued to the Germans to begin with. It seems to downward, it does not "face up", and its style for being worn is also, not like those I've seen in Real Life for "Offiziers" and from WWII sites about it:

http://www.axishistory.com/fileadmin/user_upload/b/bechler-helmut.jpg

http://www.axishistory.com/fileadmin/user_upload/b/becker-carl.jpg

http://www.axishistory.com/fileadmin/user_upload/f/fries-walter.jpg

http://www.axishistory.com/fileadmin/user_upload/w/wellmann-ernst.jpg

http://www.axishistory.com/fileadmin/user_upload/t/thaler-andreas.jpg

http://www.axishistory.com/fileadmin/user_upload/t/trierenberg-wolf-gunther.jpg

http://www.axishistory.com/fileadmin/user_upload/r/rommel-lang.jpg

http://www.axishistory.com/fileadmin/user_upload/r/rommel-erwin-2.jpg

I know those are mostly General der Infantries, Feldmarschals, Obersts etc. but the hats Feldoffiziers wore was not different at all besides rank and insignia, and sometimes color and lining.

Beyond this, they did'nt wear crown shaped caps.

The Cap is'int German--I'am most certain of it. Marking or not, the way its worn and how it was modeled definately does not reflect anything I've known, and it'd take some convincing also. :P

Not trying to rat on you, its just--the caps...

On the most part, the pack is looking great--I just hope you adjust that unterfeldoffiziers cap a little bit, and change how its currently to be worn; and ultimately, its size. Officers wore their hats very differently then what is displayed here. Again, it does'nt look german at all. The visor is okay, its just its perportions and how its modeled is completely incorrect.

It did'nt just point to the ground--nor act like it was full of concrete and look like a crown. German Caps did'nt just do that--its not how it was made or worn. That cap does not look like anything that was in use by the German Army.

You can say it has all the cute things of the third-reich; but the cap MODEL is incorrect in shape and size.

My Constructive Critiscm. Sorry if I sound mean--but you must realize, the Cap is'int modeled correctly, its perportions are off, the style and design is ultimately incorrect; about the only thing right are the decorations but that is it.

Sorry if I did sound mean. :P

It could be fixed, but I like them how they are they look perfect, and I'm dying to have them released as is! =)

No panzershrek, the way you brought this up is rediculous. You said the exact same point at least 5 times in a row, and it's not like this is a terrible big deal anyway. The ONLY thing you had to say was that the officer's cap doesn't look right, and show me a reference. You did this, but I don't need it in a 1000 word essay.

Edit: That being said...I do agree with you, and I'm working on the cap model right now.

Oh good god those faces/heads are awsome! These are looking truley fantastic!

http://www.lagcs.com/newcap.jpg

How does this look?

wow thats dam good my friend! gj mate

Nice cap tweak, much much much better felix.

HOLY ****! :)

omg sooo good...



sooooooooo good




/me dies

stunning! absolutely amazing