Hello everybody, Wasssupppp

Heres a WiP I've had for the better part of 6 months but never posted. Anyways, I plan to release this shortly after DoD_Ryan.

Its a smaller map with 3 flag points, made for custom servers such as Kustom Kettle, and Dssgr.Net's Server7 when only a handfull of players are available.

I'll also release a 5 point capture map similar in size to Cean at the same time. It will look fairly identical with a few changes, nothing drastic.

The map will feature all "natural cover". Only rocks, trees, and terrain will save you from the hell of war. Its very fast and furious combat for the control over the middle hill.

Heres the 4 pics I have so far:

http://voodoo.dssgr.net/dod_winter44_1c0000.JPG

http://voodoo.dssgr.net/dod_winter44_1c0001.JPG

http://voodoo.dssgr.net/dod_winter44_1c0002.JPG

http://voodoo.dssgr.net/dod_winter44_1c0003.bmp

nice uhh......terrain..... might need some more cover perhaps - and fix the texture misalignments on the ground D:

These just look like minor segments of the 6 million other Bastogne maps that are already out there.

Pictures of tree models? Hmmmmmmmmmm

You really need to show us something which sets this map apart from the bustling-bastogne-crowd. You could, just possibly, NOT set it in Bastogne! ;)

Whoever said it was Bastogne?

Bastogne is a city.

Neither is the surrouding perimeter around Bastogne (highway roads, roads entering woods, proper dulating knolls/bumpy terrain, woods/forests, bois, villages, etc.) looking like the ones shown in the screenshots.

So, it ain't set at Bastogne! The style of terrain and its walled cliffs remind me of some instances of OFP/Ghost-Recon Russia-style terrain.

that would give a sh*tload of epolies :eek:

Well..it looks superb....just that the default DoD trees are rather too poly intensive.

Looking good... could do with some big craters maybe?

Well KL_textureboy ( a good name for a texture u cant think of a name for , i.e. KL_mcnuggets, lol, love that one. I even named a building "the mcnugget bldg" after that texture hehehe :)

-- theres plenty of cover believe me, you just have to be lying flat on the ground to get it, be in a craters (yes plenty of them), behind a tree, behind a rock, or be on the move, like real combat. Plenty of cover.

I'll fix the tex misalignments, a lot of faces to keep track of, thanks though.

--Never said anything about bastogne. Its not in bastogne. No road signs to Bastogne, nothing in this map has a "B" in it.

Just set in a snowy forest. No city or history behind this map.

Lol, lots of epoly's. :rolleyes: Yeah, I knew one of you would say that just because you had nothing else to add really. In fact, I left r_speeds out specifically to keep you guessing, :confused: because I find them pointless to ruin per-tty pictures with.

What if I told you there was 650,000 epolys on this 1st screen, but it didnt lag one bit on your system? I grow tired of the whole wpoly & epoly discussion. If it works, it works -- who cares what the numbers are.

The only thing that'll lag this map will be a crappy computer, a slow server, or a bad connection, in either cases, nothing I can do about it.

What sets this map apart? The fact that there arent any other maps with good terrain to fight over. Sure, its DoD, and there are confinements, but it has a very outdoorsy feel to it.

Whats also great is you'll find this map is suitable for every weapon in available, and with about 12-16 players (custom map servers) it'll be fun.

:)

Ok then, I'll add some constructive critism, tie those hedges to a func_wall :rolleyes:

:D hehehe that one slipped. Will do Quakah!:D

Originally posted by VoodooChild


The only thing that'll lag this map will be a crappy computer, a slow server, or a bad connection, in either cases, nothing I can do about it.





Except design the map with these scenarios in mind...

Looks nice, reminds of a mission in COD.

@Instacrome

Yeah -- I've considered making a maps in mind with those scenerios. Then I thought, no, im gonna make a map the way I invisioned it, keeping in mind that if you want to play the latest games, you SHOULD have better than average pc.

I cant go around 2nd guessing myself or my projects thinking, well what if someone out there has a bad computer and wants to play my map?? An important question. My answer...tough, sorry.

If the game is important to you enough, you'll do what it takes to make it run well. You can't placate everyone and Im not going to attempt to. Nuff said, I could write a novel about this.

@ra7 thanks, I appreciate it. Hope you download it when its out.

Well at the end of the day its your map, so you decide how you make it; but the players decide whether or not they can play it.

I said Bastogne style cos the BOB episode sees the 101st in a snowy forest; there seem to be millions of these types of maps ATM.


BTW if I had a better computer, I would be playing UT2K3 and Battlefield Vietnam. As it is, I have a P3, 256mb ram and a TNT2pro - I could be playing UT if I wanted, which has better graphics, and performs better on my computer... but I don't. Blugh - we've had this discussion, you know the story... :rolleyes:

I will say this though - maybe you should map for higher spec games, where you that know people have a higher spec machine. And anyway, even the prettiest of HL maps requiring monster PCs aren't COMPARATIVELY pretty.

Anyhow over and out, its nothing personal! :)

argh 5 fps not good

Originally posted by VoodooChild
Lol, lots of epoly's. Yeah, I knew one of you would say that just because you had nothing else to add really. In fact, I left r_speeds out specifically to keep you guessing,

IMO, bad idea. Its not that he doesnt have anything to add its a valid point, just because your PC runs it doesnt mean the other 99.9% of PC's in the world. If you want to make high-end maps go do it for new games like UT2k4 where you have to have a decent PC, not HL which is getting on 6 years old. Sure there will be people that can run it, there always is but the vast majority wont and thus it wont be hugely popular.

Originally posted by VoodooChild
What if I told you there was 650,000 epolys on this 1st screen, but it didnt lag one bit on your system? I grow tired of the whole wpoly & epoly discussion. If it works, it works -- who cares what the numbers are.


Besides the "h4x" chants, I would say that its just wrong... you can make it as pretty as you want but if its nice n laggy (650k epoly lol + DoD + Internet = Slow). I know its not 650k epoly but im using your example...you dont need lots of detail and high wpoly/epoly to make a map decent.

Originally posted by VoodooChild

What if I told you there was 650,000 epolys on this 1st screen, but it didnt lag one bit on your system? I grow tired of the whole wpoly & epoly discussion. If it works, it works -- who cares what the numbers are.

That's just.... wrong.

Well, I think we should wait and judge the release, bashing it now is a bit pointless cause we know very little about this map. So let him release, we d/l, play and praise it or throw to trash folder.

I think its perfect Voodoo, Major Brownie points for doing something different and for pushing the envelope.

Reminds me alot of Hurtgen From CoD, which is one of my favorite maps. Keep it up dude, your doing great!!!! :D

The poly limits are engine limitations beyond a certain point. Don't be foolish in trying to push these too far or else this map and any others with high r_speeds will not get played. It's a plague to maps, it's not fun when it lags, unless you enjoy playing on your super fast computer and with bots in which case you might as well not release the map. Just keep the little guys in mind...

"I grow tired of the whole wpoly & epoly discussion. If it works, it works -- who cares what the numbers are."
Mature mappers do care. Those who create maps for the average gamer, not only for the latest PC specification.
We wonder why dod_5points and dod_tashijoujima are never played don't we? They look so nice.

Originally posted by Quakah
Ok then, I'll add some constructive critism, tie those hedges to a func_wall :rolleyes:

Why are you rolling your eyes jackass?

Too much epoly?

Just replace the models with lower-definition version ones.

I'm totally going to buy a Radeon9800 and a 3ghz CPU to play this map!1!!~~@~#

Kinda funny all the arguments about "some people have low spec PC's".

I'm not saying anyones right or wrong but this (http://steampowered.com/status/survey.html) is kinda interesting.

- Jed

Originally posted by Sarge0087[3]
Why are you rolling your eyes jackass?

why do you flame me? No, wait, if your smart enough or even take the time to read the whole thread I made the first comment about the epoly stuff, then voodoochild said he didn't care and I had to give constructive critism, so there it is. And yeah, flaming me about a little thing shows your immatureness. now don't get offtopic plz.

Originally posted by Trp. Jed
I'm not saying anyones right or wrong but this (http://steampowered.com/status/survey.html) is kinda interesting.

- Jed Apparently HL engine is not aware of it and works on does not scale performance with faster puters.

Originally posted by VoodooChild
@ra7 thanks, I appreciate it. Hope you download it when its out.

Sure i'll DL it, even put a mirror up..:-)

Originally posted by Quakah
why do you flame me? No, wait, if your smart enough or even take the time to read the whole thread I made the first comment about the epoly stuff, then voodoochild said he didn't care and I had to give constructive critism, so there it is. And yeah, flaming me about a little thing shows your immatureness. now don't get offtopic plz.

OH NO!!! He says I'm being immature on a message board!!!! Don't judge my knowledge please... Thank you.

Originally posted by Sarge0087[3]
OH NO!!! He says I'm being immature on a message board!!!! Don't judge my knowledge please... Thank you.

well, by replying on that you've just prooven it. Now don't get offtopic shall we?

Yeah ok....... you win..... you're right........ no.

Guys...cool it. take it outside i'm sick of your lame flame wars that add nothing.

looks alright voodoo ... a bit bland tho dont you think?? dont know what to add....maybe trenches or fox holes?

....be nice to each other peeps, seriously. Ty Izuno.

...I dont mind the critism, I understand your skeptisim, but I DONT need lessons in mapping and epolys. I started a w_poly and e_poly discussion thread, take it there.

@priest -- yeah its a small map as you can see, 3 flags on the small version, but really fun. Bland, no, I think it's gorgeous. I'd add trenches, but it would make the map seem too much like a fav of mine, Frad3 (tight map btw).

@Kruger -- Thanks for the PM, I agree with your statements, and I appreciate you taking the time to answer me.

@everyone -- Those PC specs on the HL2 survey, provided by Jed suggest to me that most majority of people have the nearly the same computer specs as me.


"Oh Ye Of Little Faith"

Just made some calculations with http://www.steampowered.com/status/survey.html
CPU results:
65.78% is between 1.5 and 2.7 GHZ
26.3% is between 400MHz and 1.5GHz (this represents 84590 persons though)

Video card:
41.49% (134.775 players) has "other" card. I guess other = TnT2, for the majority.

This poll shows how the community is. Values should be taken cautiously. People with latest computer should play more than fine. People with earlier PCs should play fine. Valve could not ignore 84590 players who did not upgrade yet.

Back to your project, personnaly i like the lighting, should be fun, hope the arc_pine(s) won't add too much polies. I suggest to post screens with r_speeds 1, mapping tradition :)

The map does seem kind of bland. Just because you think it is already pretty doesn't help your cause much. Some people will disagree, but your map will be more popular if you listen a little more to what others have to say.

RE: the status survey - don't forget that the broad majority of people won't bother answering this!

344061 people have replied... how many people play CS? 1 million right... OK so some probably still play on WON, but thats still a lot of people not represented.

"Bland, no, I think it's gorgeous. I'd add trenches, but it would make the map seem too much like a fav of mine, Frad3 (tight map btw)." No mappers ever say that about their map, nor should they compare them to other maps (its big headed)... could this be... P.R.? Or is it admittance that there is a lack of inspiration (not a flame, but a question that Voodoo should ask themself).

Beautiful? Theres nothing there! The third map I ever made had more in it! Gah! I'm sorry...

Oh and that rock outcrop in the 4th pic looks... well like a hippo.

This map seems most like a map which could have been an entry to the "small maps competition".


Edit - a small map like this might be best if it had PARA gameplay... to its credit, it looks like it has an "aaaaaargh!" appearance.

Speaking of "AAAARGH!" and foggy related things, I had such a moment this morning, when there was pea-soup fog, and driving over 30 was a BAD idea. I nearly hit a bloody dustcart!

Great map voodoo, not everyone will like the open snow forest map idea that you've made but, i sure do, so keep up the good work.

Originally posted by VoodooChild
@Instacrome

Yeah -- I've considered making a maps in mind with those scenerios. Then I thought, no, im gonna make a map the way I invisioned it, keeping in mind that if you want to play the latest games, you SHOULD have better than average pc.

I cant go around 2nd guessing myself or my projects thinking, well what if someone out there has a bad computer and wants to play my map?? An important question. My answer...tough, sorry.

If the game is important to you enough, you'll do what it takes to make it run well. You can't placate everyone and Im not going to attempt to. Nuff said, I could write a novel about this.

@ra7 thanks, I appreciate it. Hope you download it when its out.

Well, this isn't the newest game, it's a 5-6 year old game based on an engine thats even older. People don't play CS or DOD to play the newest games, they would play COD, MOH or BF if they wanted the newest game.