[MWIP] - Mapmodel - WACO Glider


Trp. Jed
02-28-2004, 04:43 AM
Another bought of insomnia...

I'm trying to get this together for Fuzzdad to replace the brush based gliders in, oddly enough, dod_glider.

Need to build a complete one first before I break it appart into pieces to created the crashed look.

I'm going to model the interior too but at the moment I've just done the exterior while I do the outer textures. Inside is just the outside polys flipped with a different texture and a few extra bits.

Poly count is 422 at the moment. I think it will be under 900 with the interior too.

- Jed

gabagoo
02-28-2004, 11:35 AM
hell i like you ! you can come over to my house and f**k my sister :D

Ska Wars
02-28-2004, 12:02 PM
Originally posted by gabagoo
hell i like you ! you can come over to my house and f**k my sister :D

And how can you refuse an offer like that? lol

Looks good so far mate, any chance of a shiney new horsa glider too? :D

- Ska

A.F.Dizzle
02-28-2004, 12:38 PM
Nice Jed, i can see you modeling for DoD exclusevly!

Trp. Jed
02-28-2004, 01:27 PM
Originally posted by Ska_Wars
Looks good so far mate, any chance of a shiney new horsa glider too? :D


Actually I still have the very first map model I ever made kicking around on my hard disk. It was a crashed Horsa for the ill fated dod_pegasus map. Never got used in the end, although it was in the map. Skin is absolute sh1ite - I hadn't learnt how to do UVMapping back then.

- Jed

Ska Wars
02-28-2004, 02:00 PM
Any chance you could update it for jagd? The really low res skin on that glider pisses me off everytime i see it lol

- Ska

Trp. Jed
02-28-2004, 05:33 PM
I'd could probably re-model it to fit Jagd's clipping box but I'd have to re-skin it from scratch again.

To be honest, theres not much wrong with the Jagd skin in its defence. Its just a bit too contrasty in my opinion. That and its been skinned as if the glider was metal when in fact it was wood covered with canvas. Always wondered why it went "ding" when I shot at it.

Anywa, changing subject, I need therapy. I just spent an hour drawing the rims for the Waco's wheel just to scale it down to 24x24 pixels so it looked right. I have GOT to stop obsessing over detail. :(

- Jed

Silverghost
02-28-2004, 05:39 PM
NO! Detail is good!

Billie|Joe
02-28-2004, 08:22 PM
SWEET JESUS! :O

Trp. Jed
02-28-2004, 08:33 PM
Like it?

Its just a bunch of layers in Photoshop using Overlay mode, Emboss effect and feathered selections flood filled with black.

Ironic thing is that after scouring the web to find a reference pic of the wheels on a Waco and drawing the bloody thing it got scaled down to a tiny size. LOL.

- Jed

gabagoo
02-29-2004, 05:10 AM
rimjob hehe ;)

looks goood but tbh it doesnt have a metalic effect, is that how you want is ?

Trp. Jed
02-29-2004, 09:09 AM
Well considering how most millitary equipment is made with a matt finish anyway. Plus you wouldnt notice a metal effect in a 24x24 pixel texture.

- Jed

gabagoo
02-29-2004, 09:46 AM
why do you have to make it 24X24 :confused:

Cheeto
02-29-2004, 11:44 AM
Jed get yer arse on ICQ.

Trp. Jed
02-29-2004, 01:34 PM
Originally posted by gabagoo
why do you have to make it 24X24 :confused:

Because the textures are scaled to fit on a 512x512 bitmap. Theres also the issue of texture scale - if the wings occupy an area of say 512x256 I like to keep the texture of other parts in relative scale to that or you find all your texture work, noise, dirt etc. looks mismatched.

It comes down to tonality and balance really.

Oh and Cheeto, my ICQ is borked so you'll have to PM or mail me.

- Jed

Trp. Jed
03-01-2004, 10:53 AM
Pimp it. Pimp it hard...

- Jed

VoodooChild
03-01-2004, 12:12 PM
....Bloody fantastic Jed.

That looks sweet, I hope Fuzzdad uses that. Awesome.

Silverghost
03-01-2004, 12:22 PM
sweet

Trp. Jed
03-01-2004, 01:01 PM
Still got some stuff to do on the outside texture yet and I need to model the interior too.

It will have transparent windows, etc.

- Jed

Cheeto
03-01-2004, 01:41 PM
Don't forget you have model it in broken halves, too.

Trp. Jed
03-01-2004, 01:46 PM
Originally posted by Cheeto
Don't forget you have model it in broken halves, too.

I know. Its just easier to break something thats whole first :)

- Jed

Strider
03-01-2004, 03:52 PM
Are going to model and skin what is inside...
Mainly because in glider as you know u spawn inside as well as outsied...

FuzzDad
03-01-2004, 11:16 PM
This is not the final model...I'm just placing it in the map to get scaling and other things worked out...but so far so good!

Picture 1 (http://mysite.verizon.net/warewind/images/waco3.jpg)
Picture 2 (http://mysite.verizon.net/warewind/images/waco2.jpg)

VoodooChild
03-01-2004, 11:22 PM
holy crap, Glider has come a long way to say the least.

Can't wait to see this in action.

(I see you added Tolchok's Duece and a Half, nice)

Cheeto
03-01-2004, 11:45 PM
Originally posted by FuzzDad
This is not the final model...I'm just placing it in the map to get scaling and other things worked out...but so far so good!

Picture 1 (http://mysite.verizon.net/warewind/images/waco3.jpg)
Picture 2 (http://mysite.verizon.net/warewind/images/waco2.jpg) I think you might wanna make the hill leading up the bunker a little wider at the bottom, like a fan. It's looking a little crowded in atm.

Sly Assassin
03-02-2004, 04:03 AM
Originally posted by FuzzDad
This is not the final model...I'm just placing it in the map to get scaling and other things worked out...but so far so good!

Picture 1 (http://mysite.verizon.net/warewind/images/waco3.jpg)
Picture 2 (http://mysite.verizon.net/warewind/images/waco2.jpg)

we all love you Fuzzdad but PLZ for my unborn childs sake PLZ find another website to host your pictures on I can never see them and it pisses me off :(

Remember this will help my unborn child have a chance :)

Anyway on topic dam Jed fine work again bro :)

FuzzDad
03-02-2004, 08:44 AM
Not my fault your ISP hates Verizon. :) Sry...i get 60MB storage and a ton of bandwidth for a few dollars a month so I'm sticking w/these guys.

Cyber-Surfer
03-02-2004, 11:05 AM
Umm... I know where you can get 500 MB of storage, and 1 GB of transfer (additional transfer .50 / GB) for $9.95 / Month, if your interested :)

FuzzDad
03-11-2004, 06:52 AM
A few new pics...models are not positioned correctly yet but I have tight clips and they look great in-game:

Pic One (http://mysite.verizon.net/warewind/images/waco_jed1.jpg)
Pic Two (http://mysite.verizon.net/warewind/images/waco_jed2.jpg)

Mortar
03-11-2004, 08:58 AM
I like the downed gilder, his tale is shelled and all... nicely done FD ;]

mXed.dk
03-11-2004, 09:25 AM
holy **** ****ing nice ****ing looking !!!!
WOW !!!
mayby you could place some dead bodys out side the plane ??

Billie|Joe
03-11-2004, 04:14 PM
oooooooooooo, purty:D

MaRzY
03-11-2004, 04:41 PM
Looking good Jed, are those the final textures, and can we see a screen of the inside yet...:).

The map is looking like it's had a nice tweaking, the destroyed truck looks like it could produce some interesting play on that corner, nice one Fuzz.:).

Trp. Jed
03-11-2004, 04:45 PM
Nah... wait until 1.2 ;)

And its not *that* good! :eek:

- Jed

MaRzY
03-11-2004, 05:03 PM
Oh Hell here we go.....lol

Kiff
03-11-2004, 09:35 PM
I could never access FuzzDads site either, until i was directed to this!!

http://proxify.com/

Chuck the addresses in a bang, it works.

Mr. Me
03-12-2004, 01:14 AM
Originally posted by FuzzDad
Pic Two (http://mysite.verizon.net/warewind/images/waco_jed2.jpg)

Pure Constructive critissism (however u write it), im not sure, but i dont think the Tail would let go that easaly. I think it either still be stuck on the back of the plain or it would be torn apart with a lot of force leaving a lot more broken wood etc laying around and the tail would be laying somwhere forther back. also, if u crash ur plain like that, id asume the from would be damaged a lot more in the proces of breaking trough a wall at full speed.

Other than this it is a real kickass model that looks realy amazing.

FuzzDad
03-12-2004, 09:05 AM
I was a pilot in the US Army...I used to fly OH-58 and AH-1 helos...occasionally we would lose one, sometimes with fatalities, sometimes not. In all cases I was amazed at the destruction wrought by the crash sequence itself. I once saw the remains of a small helicopter at the base of a tree...the helo had hit a dead tree while on a low-level flight at full speed (about 100mph), the blade hit the tree, parts of it busted off, the remainder flexed prior to departing the mast and snapped off the tail boom which ended up sticking straight up out of a oak tree a good 50 yards away. The main body of the helo crashed through some trees and the impact forced the pilots body through the back of the seat with enough force to crack the fuselage in two. The skids ended up also departing the aircraft and were found later stuck in another tree.

It took the accident investigation team a while to figure out the actual path the helo took because the crash site was 45 degree's to the left of the flight path...apparently the helo, after the blade did it's damage and cut off the tail boom, went through the first oak tree which caused it to kind of bounce to the left 45 degree's where it ended up on the ground (like a big billard table..the aircraft bounced from tree to tree). We lost the pilot and his navigator.

So never underestimate the way debris looks or lays...it's an extreme act of violence...and it's my interpretation here based on my visual eye...not my realistic eye...i just like the way the pieces look on the ground.

Cheeto
03-12-2004, 09:24 AM
Originally posted by FuzzDad
I was a pilot in the US Army...I used to fly OH-58 and AH-1 helos... Oh boy, here we go, another story... :p

Rotkopf
03-12-2004, 10:07 AM
Army service rules pls.

One day in the boot camp I had my MG3 :D .....

The map model itself is definately another fine addition to a already fine map. Glider is certainly one of the best and most balanced objective maps avaible for DoD.

Ska Wars
03-12-2004, 04:00 PM
Originally posted by Rotkopf
Glider is certainly one of the best and most balanced objective maps avaible for DoD.

Here, here!

- Ska

Mr. Me
03-14-2004, 03:01 AM
Originally posted by FuzzDad
So never underestimate the way debris looks or lays...it's an extreme act of violence...and it's my interpretation here based on my visual eye...not my realistic eye...i just like the way the pieces look on the ground.

Obviusly, u know a lot more about this, so plz forgive me for bringing it up.

FuzzDad
03-14-2004, 12:21 PM
No...everyone has their own way of doing things...what might seem pleasing to me might seem silly to someone else...after you said what you said I went back and looked and I agree things were a little whacky so I slightly moved each piece. I just wanted folks to understand that there is no standard way a plane/helo/whatever comes apart when it hits the ground...and remember it's not the long fall that kills you...it's the sudden stop at the end.

Trp. Jed
03-14-2004, 01:37 PM
Actually I've just been browsing some archive footage of Waco's on training in North Africa and you wouldn't believe the force these things come down with and the sudden stops. Got a couple of them ditching in a lake - thats GOTTA hurt.

Also keep in mind that the Waco's tail was only held on by 4 bolts. A bad landing can easily generate enough force to strain the bolts and snap the tail off.

Other fun tales (no pun intented)...

Waco's having wing spars break in flight and actually manage to continue the flight with a wing bent up at 30 degrees plus, 88mm flak shells detonating inside gliders and literally making them vanish and even the story of one glider being blown apart and its load of a jeep falling out of the sky just past the cockpit of another glider with the jeeps driver still sat in the seat clutching the wheel in shock.

Looking at Fuzzdad's gliders, I can easily imagine the glider in spawn was broad down in a near stall landing, hit the wall with the tail and flopped in or that the one on the hill was hit by an 88, dive to the groud ripping the tail off as it came through the tree and impacting the ground with the fuselage.

But now we're just getting pedantic.

- Jed

[noclan]Operator
03-14-2004, 02:45 PM
With all this new eyecandy, I'm gonna die a lot on the new glider.

Trigger
03-14-2004, 02:56 PM
Originally posted by Trp. Jed
Actually I've just been browsing some archive footage of Waco's on training in North Africa and you wouldn't believe the force these things come down with and the sudden stops. Got a couple of them ditching in a lake - thats GOTTA hurt.
- Jed Share

Trp. Jed
03-14-2004, 03:15 PM
I will when I get them uploaded. I've got 27Mb of glider footage kicking around here.

- Jed

SWAT
03-14-2004, 08:59 PM
Really good but what ever happened to the player models.

Pook2
03-14-2004, 09:20 PM
Jed, are there any free resources on the net where I can find good WW2 film footage?

Trp. Jed
03-15-2004, 07:32 AM
Not that I know of - I ripped these clips from some footage DVD's I got from the Imperial War Museum Library.

- Jed

A.F.Dizzle
03-15-2004, 06:16 PM
big fat stealer! gj on the models tho...now seeing a tank get hit square in the gas tanks is cool too BBBOOOOOOOMMMMM!

OrbMonky
03-31-2004, 02:43 PM
the story of one glider being blown apart and its load of a jeep falling out of the sky just past the cockpit of another glider with the jeeps driver still sat in the seat clutching the wheel in shock.

how come we have no flying jeeps in dod..... man.

excellent work on the models though, they look great and i can't wait to try the new glider. it was certainly one of my favorites during para and is still pretty good, hope it gets better and better :)

Trp. Jed
03-31-2004, 03:29 PM
Check out FuzzDad's homepage.

- Jed

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