Ok so so far we have:

Trigger
Vandal
Dread
Mortar

signed up, please post here to add or take away your name from the pack.

Here's an example from those great color refrences that were posted so long ago of what I have in mind, input please! :)

maybe the sniper should have the same black color, or a camo pattern.

http://vandal.weruniq.com/models/italians.jpg

Now, as for guns......I'm no historian, or gun efficianato, but here is what I found.

the Beretta pistol (Luger):
http://vandal.weruniq.com/models/beretta.jpg

The Mannlicher-Carcano (Kar)
http://vandal.weruniq.com/models/Mannlicher-Carcano.jpg

The Breda30M642 (MG42/34)
http://vandal.weruniq.com/models/Breda30M642.jpg

The Beretta 1938A (MP40)
http://vandal.weruniq.com/models/berettamodello1938A.jpg
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I need refrence pics for a knife, possibly (not needed but desired) a second MG and an assault rifle (worse comes to worse, we'll keep the STG44 and call it lend lease) and some kind of carbine.
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Here's the flag (I want the one with the bird on it, but this was used too. If we can find the other one I'd be happeh!) http://vandal.weruniq.com/models/flag.bmp

As far as sprites go, when we finalize a flag, I'd like that used as the obj icons, and perhaps that darn bird (if we can find it) for the overheads.

Sounds...I once, a long time ago recorded italian voices, but my italian is sketchy at best. I will do them again unless anyone else can provide me with better spoken italian translations.

I've got plans for doing some Italian player models, but I have no time frame for their completion, I plan on making a paratrooper pack first, then an Alpini pack.

As for the weapons, when I was planning my pack, I planned on replacing the stg44 with a Beretta 38/A, which fired a 9mm "lungo" round, which was basically an extended 9mm cartrige to give it more power, and replacing the mp40 with either an earlier model beretta, or possibly one of the less common Italian smg's.

I think you should leave the MG's alone, and just say they were aquired from the Germans, as they sometimes were, because the Italians didn't have a comperable LMG. You could replace the FG42 with the Breda 30, though, since they both have the same clip size. Although it would require some reanimating to make it correct, as the Breda had an attached, hinged clip that was loaded with strippers or boxes or something odd.

I've seen several pictures and accounts of Italians equipped with G41's, my guess is that the Germans dumped them on the Italians once they replaced them with the G43, but it would be a good replacement for a semi-auto rifle.

For the bolt-action, I would suggest the Carcano M1891/38 (http://www.gunpartsandmilitaria.com/91moschfull.jpg), because it looks cool. For the sniper rifle, I'd go with something like the Carcano M41 (http://www.gunpartsandmilitaria.com/italianfat41comp.jpg), which would be more realistic for a sharpshooters rifle. I don't know about the scope, as they seem to have never officially issued any teleascopic sights as far as I can tell. I do know that some rifles were modified with scopes, probably privately purchased, so it wouldn't be hard to find something suitable.

My gut lies with Trigger, he knows what the heck he's talking about!

If we can get a modeler, or someone who kind of knows their way around milkshape to model the hats/helemts someone can hack them onto the default axis and we'll start skinning for the inf models....

trigg you keep on keeping on with the paras, if you need help let me know.

anyone who can handle this modelling job??

indeed.. am i just putting these helms on the axis-inf default models?

Yeah sure, the problem is getting those helmets/hats. Maybe hack the k43 body onto the MG too just for that extra coolness. I love the short sleeves.

started workin on a helmet and skin, ill finish it tomorrow and put it on the models.. here is a screenshot so far..

Rock and roll! :D great work I didn't know you could model from scratch you rule!

if you guys do this you guys are god :D

Originally posted by DreadLord2
started workin on a helmet and skin, ill finish it tomorrow and put it on the models.. here is a screenshot so far.. That appears to be a German Paratrooper helmet, not Italian looking at all.

i think i converted an old Beretta once tell me if you need it it just needs a reskin

If you'd reskin that I'd love you verah verah much!

i cant skin for shi7 so if you want the model for the pack holla maybe you can get some1 to give it a facelift

i'll start working on something, i think we will get this pack running very soon ;]

Originally posted by Trigger
That appears to be a German Paratrooper helmet, not Italian looking at all.

yea.. it's actually exactly what they looked like.. here

http://www.mailmodel.com/foto/HOR-HIH01.jpg

http://www.italianfront.com/M33MVSNhelm9WEB.jpg

but excellent try of course

I'd have to disagree there, they look more like Russian helmets, with a slight pinch at the front.
http://www.militariacollection.com/fascisthelmets.htm
http://www.axishistory.com/index.php?id=4277
http://www.axishistory.com/index.php?id=4280

cant wait for this one ;)

If you guys want, I can make all the sprites.

I can do a bit of player model hackjobbing for you guys if you like.

Sign me up scotty!

Don't know of its of any interest but Osprey Publishing do a nice book about the Italian Army in WWII with some nice colour plates of the uniforms.

BTW, thought about doing a Eritirian Colonian Battalion soldier for a bit of racial diversity?

- Jed

Cor, great to have you on. ^^ If you can start with the flag I posted and go for some obj sprites.

Waffle, nice to see your intrest. Hackers we need to see if you can take existing headgear and re-work it to look like the stuff pictured, don't worry about skin distortion and whatnot.....we'll figure it out.

Jed, that sounds intresting, go into more detail for me? I'm not farmiliar.

I've got the three Men at Arms books about the Italians in WWII, they are all very good and I would recommend them to anyone interested in the subject.

You can look them up at amazon, they're pretty cheap there, or at the Osprey (http://www.ospreypublishing.com/) website.

There is also a book about the Italian army in Northern Africa in the mid 30's, not exactly WWII, but not much changed between then and early war, and it's good refrence to Italian colonial armies

Sorry if you guys already know of this but Marzy did an Italian flag around 3.1 time which I've always used:

Italian Flag (http://mussolini_headkick.users.btopenworld.com/images/italy-flag.jpg)

Picture (B/W) of Para-Knife:

Para Knife (http://mussolini_headkick.users.btopenworld.com/images/para-knife.jpg)

Musso

Is this the flag your looking for?
http://www.shade-of-grey.com/stuff/pub_upload/itfasc.jpg

The flag posted by Mussolini HeadK is that of the House of Savoy, the flag posted by {CoR} ez appears to be that of the RSI. Either would be acceptable, though since we're talking about the Axis they would represent pre(savoy) and post(RSI) armistice Italy.

I need a non-shade of gray host, cant see his stuff

Here's a diffent host Vandel
http://uploads.dodart.net/itfasc.jpg

As soon as you guys tell me what flag you wont, I can start on the player and flag icons.

I 'm up for some hackjobbing.

Here's a helmet I started:

Cor, the "bird" flag is the one I think we should use (its so sexy!)

and John...I love you :D :D :D :D

Found a nice site for references:

http://www.italianfront.com/reproww2militaria.htm


And a WIP of a M43 bustina:

Originally posted by Trigger
The flag posted by Mussolini HeadK is that of the House of Savoy, the flag posted by {CoR} ez appears to be that of the RSI.
Must admit I've not seen that second flag linked with any of the millitary operations in WW2. All the documentation I can find shows the first one.

Here's some info I found on it:
"In 1797 the green-white-red colors became the flag of the Cisalpine Republic, then in 1802 of the Italian Republic which became the Kingdom of Italy in 1805, lasting until 1814.

The tricolor flag was restored in 1848 when Victor Emmanuel II, King of Sardinia-Piedmont, adopted it as his flag, placing in its center the coat of arms of his House of Savoy - a silver cross on a red shield with a blue border. In this form the tricolor became the flag of united Italy in 1861; only in 1946 when the country became a republic was the royal coat of arms removed from the flag."


Kingdom of Italy Flag (1848-1946) (http://mussolini_headkick.users.btopenworld.com/images/flag2.gif)

Musso

;-; but I like teh birdy :(

Originally posted by Skullz_Vandal
;-; but I like teh birdy :(
LOL u have want you want m8 - just giving you the info ;)

I'll just use that one :)

Regards
Musso

So is it settled? Bird flag or not?

Since there is already a flag of the House of Savoy, just go ahead and make the RSI war flag and they can both be included in the pack.

roger that

Word :cool:

So when is the big release date so I'll know when to have them done?

Originally posted by {CoR} ez
So when is the big release date so I'll know when to have them done? lol, release date, cute.

Worked on the Light Inf. model a bit:

http://plan9.flemingc.on.ca/~mdionne/images/pic/it_inf1_front.jpg

http://plan9.flemingc.on.ca/~mdionne/images/pic/it_inf1_side.jpg

WOW dude, awesome work there with the helmet!

nice skin as well. well done

JD Kickass work there !
the face needs more work and italien look but i love the overall look.

WOW JD!!!!!! :eek: :eek: :eek:

That is gonna motivate me to get some of the voice-comms done ASAP!!!!!!!!!!!! :D :D :D

(PS: Someone mentioned about faces, most people tend to leave the defaults, If thats your choice, I'll do an optional reskin with diffrent ones. My 'trademark' so to speak has become faces not from DoD/RTCW/MOH ect.)

Wow John.....just.....wow.

So have yall done gave up on this pack?:confused:

Not at all. I havn't heard from John Doe. I'm still trying to work out the sound issue.

I've havent had much time to work on things recently, the 2 weeks before study week are always a b!tch. :(

I'll see how much I can finish in the next 3 days, after that, I wont have computer access until March.

Those models look godly JD, I can't wait to see the release.

Nice work there John!

I'm trying to learn how to start skinning/modelling atm...:eek: but... I have a face I did and you are welcome to use if you would like as it will be a long while till I get anything resonable done.

Face (http://mussolini_headkick.users.btopenworld.com/images/dod_italians.jpg)

Musso

Is this still being worked on? I hope it isn't dead. I would love to replace russians with allies and italians with axis.

Originally posted by Mussolini HeadK
Nice work there John!

I'm trying to learn how to start skinning/modelling atm...:eek: but... I have a face I did and you are welcome to use if you would like as it will be a long while till I get anything resonable done.

Face (http://mussolini_headkick.users.btopenworld.com/images/dod_italians.jpg)

Musso

That face is probably the best one I've seen so far. The hair is perfect, and most importantly he looks italian.

That face needs to be used.

Totaly agree, vgj with that face it's really perfecto !

Mwahaha! I just wish to comment on making the models--please make everything within perportion...I thought the standard 1.0 models were in great perportion. :) IMHO

Mussolini HeadK i would be very happy if you will send me the face model + texture to ohad_gefen@yahoo.com, i want to start making the italien player models after im finished my axis models for good.

Originally posted by Mortar
i would be very happy if you will send me the face model + texture
Done Mortar - good luck m8.

Musso

I'm gonna try to push out those damn voicecomms soon. I've been real busy with work and school latley, but we'll see.

Vote John Doe for il-presidente.

Kick ass model.

Originally posted by Dire Wolf
Vote John Doe for il-presidente.

Kick ass model.

Thanks :)




I'm almost done the light-inf model but unless I can find some good equipment references, I'm gonna have to use somewhat modified Brit equipment :(

Hi all,

I did some objective sprites recently for myself - as I've never done any sprite editiing b4 - but maybe might be ok as a start for the Italian conversion. They are just conversions of standard sprites + some custom map sprites. There' a large & small overhead view icon but needs a bit of work .. put it in anyway in case someone can do it better.

Sprites Picture (http://mussolini_headkick.users.btopenworld.com/files/sprites.jpg)

Sprites DL (http://mussolini_headkick.users.btopenworld.com/files/sprites.zip)

Regards
Musso

Those sprites look great, keep it up :D

I can help if you want, Im rather new to skinning, but all I know, has come from Russ. Conscript, So that should day something..:p

wtf thats not the Real 9thSS clan D:

Has the project died now then lads or all just been busy on other stuff? There are some talented people post here: Trigger, Mortar, John, Dread, strider, ez, jed, Static and it would be great if they could compile some kinda release.

Good Luck

Regards
Musso

Uh, seeing as the "real" one disbanded long ago, yeah, it is. And it's not a fricken clan.

I was just thinking if this yesterday, I think I'll try making a few player models in the next week or two.

Kinda died off for me when I couldnt find any good refs...

I still have all the files though, it'd be nothing to get it going again. But Im up to my neck in real-life work, and some on the side stuff. Wont have time until after August 23rd.

:/

I can give you reference to nearly anything you want, just ask.

Personally i would like to see this pack back on track.
Atm im making a very nice progress on my winter allies models ( thank to trigger :) ) and i also work on a mod team but as soon as i'll finish the winter pack (and this time it's closer than ever), i will be glad to work on italian player models (not alone of course) or skin italian arms.

Great to see people still interested.

I think I'll try making a few player models in the next week or two.
Look forward to seeng some more of your work Trigger.

couldnt find any good refs...
Like Trigger said John he has references but I will search for any other stuff you might need.

Mortar, hope the mod stuff and other projects go well too so you can find time to fit something in :D

Best Wishes
Musso

Originally posted by Trigger
I was just thinking if this yesterday, I think I'll try making a few player models in the next week or two.
Any news m8? ;)

Musso

Hey there guys. So in my quest to make a romanian pack, i cam across trigger. He said he was working on an italian pack, and i struck a deal with him. I would help him, if he would help me. I have made a berretta 1938a weapon model that works for the STG44. I would like to give it to u guys, but i need someone that can host files. In my opinion it works, i got a good sound for it too. But it all depends on you guys. I am willing to contribute time and effort to help you, if you all can help me afterwards. I dont need as much help, since i am well along the way with the romanians. But please, let me know what u need done, and i will do my best.

Hope someone in here can help you out there KR.

Musso

Christ, I think I just saw a ghost.

Where did THIS thread come from!?

I can do new uniforms.. :P