After playing for a long time with Canyo's excellent British Para's, I decided to make a new sleeve texture to go with my recent Enfield releases. I did NOT make this camo pattern, I just made took a piece off of Canyo's skins and made it into a sleeve texture. Hope you like it!

I've included a few different sizes in this zip. There's enough in there to fit all my custom Brit model reskins, so if you need a different size, open this up in Photoshop, MS Paint, or PSP and resize to what you need, or let me know in this thread and I'll post it for you asap.

CREDITS:
Sleeve Texture: Trp. Jed
Simple modifications into Sleeves by Dillinger

PICTURE:
http://webpages.marshall.edu/~blessing5/sleeves.jpg

Download Removed Until Further Notice.

:D

....:) nice

how about an allied para sleeve;)

Ummm....

a) would you mind crediting the right sources. Thats a section of the cammo from MY Airborne pack. In fact its the lower back part of the sniper skin rotated 90 degrees counter clockwise.

b) you didnt ask for nor did I give permission to use it.

- Jed

uh oh :eek:

with reactions like these, the community is going down the drain for sure :rolleyes: jed, would you PLEASE accept the fact that dillinger is a very honorable person who always tries to give proper credits?

You´re doing a lot of good work, but an arrogant attitude because of that is going to damage your reputation and the community as well.

If creative people here in the forums just scream at each other for not giving "proper credits", many people will leave.

And espicially in this case, I do not understand your reaction. Dillinger is not a stealer or a simple hackjobber, but rather a very productive guy himself.

Furthermore, post proof that the camo is yours, or else you = critisism fodder.

Originally posted by Rotkopf
with reactions like these, the community is going down the drain for sure :rolleyes: jed, would you PLEASE accept the fact that dillinger is a very honorable person who always tries to give proper credits?

Did I ever say he wasn't?

You´re doing a lot of good work, but an arrogant attitude because of that is going to damage your reputation and the community as well.

Where am I being arrogant? I simply stated that the skin was taken from one of my skins and would he mind correcting it. As for my reputation, I couldnt give a rats ass.

If creative people here in the forums just scream at each other for not giving "proper credits", many people will leave.

I dont remember screaming. Hmmm, nope not a single bold, all caps word or exlamation mark in my post.

And espicially in this case, I do not understand your reaction. Dillinger is not a stealer or a simple hackjobber, but rather a very productive guy himself.

Its my work and it states in the readme file which accompanies my models and on my website that I dont give permission for the skin to be used in any other models without permission. Plain and simple.

I have nothing against Dillinger, I'm just clarifying that a) those skins dont come from the source quoted and b) I would rather their not used.

This may be MSA and it may be a happy hand-holding community but as the author of a work I, like anyone, else have a right to protect it and dictate where and when it can be used.

And I'm sure Dillinger is capable of responding himself so I dont know why you had to wade in all ham fisted slinging accusations around of me being some evil overlord.

- Jed

Originally posted by engineer
Furthermore, post proof that the camo is yours, or else you = critisism fodder.

Gladly.

- Jed

Rotkopf it is not Trp. Jed's reaction that is driving away people its this infraction that is doing it. That and those who take things for granted. Those of us who model, skin and animate do it freely and distribute our stuff freely. That does not mean there is free reign to hack up our work and claim it as ones own. Nor is it exceptable to do it without consulting the author.

Both acts are inconsiderate and diminish the effort we have put into our work.

jesus guys pull your heads out your asses!

so what? gues what, have you lost money from it? NO!
has it brought happiness to people? YES

so shut up, ive had plenty of my work used in packs, or parts of my skins used for other stuff, ive even had an entire bloody skin i made from scratch get hacked and someone passed it off as their own and you know what?

so what?

i take pride in my work, and people that like it use it, i dont lose money from someone else using my stuff? so jesus christ stop being so bloody prussian!

ill use these sleeves and you know what ill be thinking in game? damn these add something good to the model, i won't be thinking, "this was posted by dillinger" and i won't be thinking "but it was originally trp. jed's skin" cus guess what, i dont know who made 90% of the models i use, unless ska did it or i did it, i cant rememeber!

so get off your high horses right now, accept this is a good release and quit *****ing about credits or about who got what from where, no-one will rememebr in a weeks time.

you know that pack that guy released called "my pack" of all the stuff? me and ska didnt get credit yet theres a **** load of our stuff in that pack, did u see us opening a can of flaming whoop ass? NO!

so leave it.

Dillinger, great release you made my v_weapon.mdl's that little bit cooler thank you :)


P.S. Rotkopf is right, it is people like jed's reactions that drove me off here, the ass-holeish *****ing for pointless reasons. not the "infractions" bollocks your spouting. yeah we do it freely, so don't winge, it's not copyrighted, the day u get your work patented and has the ickle C in a circle on it with proof, THEN you have a right to *****. but until then, get over yourself, if you REALLY do it freely to bring joy to the community, then you won't mind if someone else tries to bring more joy to the community with a simple add-on, he tried to give credits and he got it wrong, quit winging and paly the game. lots of good people leave because of the pointless *****ing and reactions of "you hack jobbed my work" guess what, theres more important things to life.

Dances,

I posted a two line reply stating that the skin had be credited wrongly and that I hadn't given permission for it be used.

That is all...

Its people who go off on rants and raves like your post who turn this community into a sesspool.

I never flamed, shouted or in any way lambasted Dillinger for it, I simply stated my case.

It was you and Rotkopf who waded in like bulls in a chinashop poking your nose into other peoples business, being self righteous and acting like the forum police.

As for copyright, I think you'd better go study law some more before you start mouthing off as the champion of peoples rights.

US Copyright law states that:

Copyright is a form of protection provided by the laws of the United States (title 17, U.S. Code) to the authors of “original works of authorship,” including literary, dramatic, musical, artistic, and certain other intellectual works. This protection is available to both published and unpublished works. Section 106 of the 1976 Copyright Act generally gives the owner of copyright the exclusive right to do and to authorize others to do the following:

- To reproduce the work in copies or phonorecords;

- To prepare derivative works based upon the work;

- To distribute copies or phonorecords of the work to the public by sale or other transfer of ownership, or by rental, lease, or lending;

To display the copyrighted work publicly, in the case of literary, musical, dramatic, and choreographic works, pantomimes, and pictorial, graphic, or sculptural works, including the individual images of a motion picture or other audiovisual work;

Further more:

Copyright protection subsists from the time the work is created in fixed form. The copyright in the work of authorship immediately becomes the property of the author who created the work. Only the author or those deriving their rights through the author can rightfully claim copyright.

Also:

Copyright protection is available for all unpublished works, regardless of the nationality or domicile of the author.

And lastly:

The use of a copyright notice is no longer required under U. S. law...Notice was required under the 1976 Copyright Act. This requirement was eliminated when the United States adhered to the Berne Convention, effective March 1, 1989

And just so you know, a patent is a grant made by a government that confers upon the creator of an invention the sole right to make, use, and sell that invention for a set period of time. It has nothing to do with copyright.

I was quite happy to wait for Dillinger to contact me about this and reply for himself so we could sort it out amicably but all you've managed to do is turn this into another raging flame fest.

However, I felt I should reply to point out the inaccuracies in your posts as all your doing is spreading incorrect and misleading opinions about copyright and ownership. Considering the issues we've had with elements stolen from other games in the past, its helpful is someone gets the facts right.

I suggest you go and think what your post *REALLY* contributed to peoples opinion of members of this forum.

- Jed

wow jed. honestly, this is a game. I dont care about your legal bull****. Do you expect me to read through this article you´ve posted there? This is a forum dedicated to a ****ing game.

If I want legal / scientific stuff, I read my stuff for my university seminars. But DoD is entertaiment for me, so don´t expect me to read through that.... honestly, I couldnt care less about your opinion. I am sure Dillinger will either fix the credits or withdraw this release... but I´m fed up with people like you. Feeling good now? You´re right, but nobody cares anyway.

I don't get it, all he asked was can you change the credits, and some of you go jump on his back. Why should he not be credited for his work, i mean he put the time into making the original skin...?. He's every right to be feeling a little pissed off.


And just because some of you arn't bothered about peeps ripping your work off, and not given credit, you expect everyone else should feel the same way.

All i see in this thread is Jed Defending against your flames, and him sticking up for whats right.

I myself nearly always get in touch with the original author before i release any hacked work, and ask if they would mind me releasing, and who should be credited, it's called respect.

And thats not a pop at dillinger, after all we all make mistakes, but nothing that can't be put right here.

My advice to those that wish to cause a storm in this thread, back off.

Jed is fully correct here, and is fully entitled to demand proper credits. If one spends months working hard on a project, only to see someone steal a bit of it and either credit it to themselves or someone else, it's more than slightly annoying.

Couldn't this of been done over PMs rather than dragging it out into public discussion?

Ok, he gave the wrong credits, we all make honest mistakes. You know I respect you jed as a modeller but IMO in several of your posts Jed you did come across as 'holier than thou' which wasn't really neccesary.

Jus PM dill and I'm sure he'd be more than happy to correct any errors.

BTW @ Rotkopt "Dillinger is not a stealer or a simple hackjobber" you saying us hack jobbers are simple? lol :D

Ska

You should make a sleeve pack.. all default models with your sleeves..

THEY ARE THE PWN!

keep up hte good work Dill!

Damn....I wish I would have checked this thread earlier.

Guys, Jed is completely right and he should of been given the proper credits and asked for permission. Sometimes I forget to ask people if it'd be okay to use their work, assuming that they will always say yes.

Anyway - Jed, I sent you a PM. I also changed the credits and the credits in the picture. I didn't know these skins were yours, I just went by what was in the readme file of the zip file that had the British Para's I use. I can't think of any other way to obtain credits. So I thought I was going on good information.

I always do my best to give the correct credits, so it always sucks when I mess it up, especially when a fiasco happens like this. My apologies.

Download link is taken off until further notice.

It's nice to see the 2 parties involved are level headed, while the rest jump in and cause a fuss.

Glad to see that Dillinger reacted the way I expected ;)

I´m normally all for giving correct credits for models and skins, but I just did not like the fact that jed caused such a discussion about it. Honestly, I like his work both concerning his coding and artistic skills, but this does not mean he has to behave like someone better than everyone else.

I know that it was a mistake by Dillinger not to mention the proper artists, but as one dude here said previously : Jed could have solved this problem with a private message as well.

I mean, even if a lot of work is involved, such problems should not be brought into the public, at least as long as both artists can find a good solution on their own.

Well, no further need to post in this thread anymore, the problems have been solved, and everyone is happy again.

All issues are resolved, everyone. No need for flaming, etc.

What happened here was just that I gave incorrect credits because the credits in the readme of the zip file that contained the British para's I use was wrong.

I took a piece of the texture and made it into a sleeve texture, giving credit to the credits in the readme. In fact, the skins used for the British para's I use are Jed's and not the ones I listed.

There was no accusations of me stealing work, etc. It was just a simple misunderstanding and Jed deserved credit for the skins, not the ones I had posted.

At any rate, all is resolved by two PM's between Jed and myself, and taking Jed's suggestion, I am working on some new sleeves thanks to reference pictures he sent me. If it's okay with Jed, I will repost the link to download these though, if you still want them.

exceptional

Originally posted by MaRzY
I don't get it, all he asked was can you change the credits, and some of you go jump on his back.

i think its just that theres been alot of good people leaving, and tensions run high, and like in an FF server.. everyones trigger finger is itching. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Dillinger
All issues are resolved, everyone. No need for flaming, etc.

What happened here was just that I gave incorrect credits because the credits in the readme of the zip file that contained the British para's I use was wrong.

I took a piece of the texture and made it into a sleeve texture, giving credit to the credits in the readme. In fact, the skins used for the British para's I use are Jed's and not the ones I listed.

There was no accusations of me stealing work, etc. It was just a simple misunderstanding and Jed deserved credit for the skins, not the ones I had posted.

At any rate, all is resolved by two PM's between Jed and myself, and taking Jed's suggestion, I am working on some new sleeves thanks to reference pictures he sent me. If it's okay with Jed, I will repost the link to download these though, if you still want them.

What Para's do you use??

They are listed on the DODEC as "Canyo's British Para's".

That's all I know :)

Yah, should be using mine nub...:D

That is strange though, Canyo released those models, with my skinnage, before Jed released his Paras, so how did he get the sleeve texture???