hey I skinned vanmeters sten mk 2. this 1 took me a while 2 do coz i had problems with photoshop but newayz here it is

DL mirror:
http://dodec.hlgaming.com/main.html
Pic:
http://dodec.hlgaming.com/images/brutsten.jpg

You will find it under newest additions or UK Weapons...please tell me your opinions:D

umm looks a hella lot like my skin. i still have it in a zip file dated 5/29/2002. after a closer look i see you changed quite a bit but still failed to add me into the credits. Vanmeter models. i meshed and skinned it to replace the Thompson.

Its not that often that people add the mesher to the credits. im sorry. but i made that skin from scratch.

Originally posted by BruTaLiz@tioN
Its not that often that people add the mesher to the credits. im sorry. but i made that skin from scratch.


i beg to differ since i compaired it to the one i did. mesh beside mesh.

Post the meshes. Brutal has done good work in the past, so I don't doubt his abality to skin.

mine
http://motherlode.homestead.com/files/mine.jpg

his
http://motherlode.homestead.com/files/his.jpg

The mesh is obviously the same. I don't know about the skin.

The only thing that looks remotely familiar is the hole spacing and the bullet, but even that's a little different.

wire on top is mine. the A is unedited. mine again. bullet is mine also. need i go on?

I think the letter A and bullets tend not to apply.

ya miss my point. My work is still there and due credit should apply. since its released this is simply a reminder.

it looks to me he eather MAJORLY edited your skin blackheart, or he made his own, using your as referance.

but i do find it strange how all the lighting is in all the exact same places.

i know for a fact that that is brutals own skin created from scatch. He has shown throughout the skinny process updates to me and i can say that it is his own skin. Maybe that accusation is the other way around.

Reaver, Blackheart does not steal work AND he skinned it first. Just take a look at the meshes, the bullet, spring, and A are Blackhearts and either Brutalization should give him credit for it or get off his ass and skin it himself.

But seriously, they are extremely different save for the bullet, that spring thing and the A, I see no reason to peel someones head off for an extreme minor detail that was not needed to be edited or changed...

The A, the bullet and the spring is yours, the rest is mine...i started it from scratch...if u so badly want to i can add that to the credits but dont go round saying that the rest is yours...it just doesnt work.:mad:
btw mike do u hold a personal grudge against me?

ok my reason for this isn't really so i can have myself in his credits. i had a simular situation when i used Fox-Mike's bullet from his colt 1911a1 modeled by iono as a placeholder and by mistake released my SKS modeled by Vanmeter with that texture. Suddenly everyone was in uproar. I explained that i never intended to release it with that texture in there so i removed the DL and uploaded the model with my bullet texture which should have been the one uploaded in the first place. i'm trying to point out that regardless of how small the texture is its still the original creators. i got serious flak for my error why is it that Brutal shouldn't receive the same?

Originally posted by BruTaLiz@tioN
if u so badly want to i can add that to the credits but dont go round saying that the rest is yours...it just doesnt work

don't put words in my mouth.

Originally posted by BruTaLiz@tioN
btw mike do u hold a personal grudge against me?

No.

well mike Brutal doesnt steal work. How many releases have u seen from Brutal? 8-10? All his own work started from scratch. I havent seen any releases from Blackheart.

well then you need to look harder, Blackheart is one of the best skinners on the DoD forums. Either you joined the old forums right before they became these, or you have been living under a rock if you don't know who he is.
Brutalization just admited to his plaguerism anyway, so how are you going to tell me he makes all his work from scratch. He uses pictures for wood, that's not from scratch is it? Now I know using a picture for wood has started to become mainstream, but at least give it a try? It's so much more satisfying to have a model with textures completely made by you.
Want some advice? Practice skinning a little more before you start releasing things.

"Want some advice? Practice skinning a little more before you start releasing things."

i hope u arnt talking to brutal. HAHAHA if u are. Go and have a look at his work see if u can do better.

I can honestly say, I can do better than Brutal's work. Look at marksman's MP40 that I skinned, wait until i release my stick grenade. To be perfectly honest, which I didn't want to be for fear of offending someone, Brutal's textures need a lot of work.

This sh*t is going so much off topic.... now lets see... the thing is that you guys are talking about credit stuff... and now theres someone saying he stol hes skin... well well and NOW we got like 2 people from each front talking about whos the best skinner and who sucks.... This Sucks! man cmon... he did a skin and i can see that he used your bullets, and hes skin really needs work... its to light, and.... ANYWAYS! About the skin-its-my-thing is that, that Brutal guy must have used your (Blackheart73) skins as a ref. pic and therefor made the same lighting as he was looking at your skin... well i must say Blackheart ive seen some of your work and its good, but why the F*ck are you freaking out like this! man i agree its f*cked up when people forget to give credits, but still...

And to you Brutal, your skin really needs work, dosnt fit on the model right, and try to find out and give ALL the kinda credits your can, and a mesh aint you a mesh it takes time to make that stuff.

Hope this can make the thread clean again.

Oh and R3aveR, Blackheart73 has been released some good sh*t he is just slow, and giving hes skins time :P think so....

-Stoffer

Sometimes people's egos just get too big. Mike there could have been a less hostile way of saying the things that you said. If Brutalization wants to release his work to the community then let him. Its the people's choice whether they want it or not. :)

R3aveR, don't try to support your buddies wrong doing.

Why would you lie about such a thing, BruTaLiz@tioN. My respect for you, if any as a skinner has dropped, and you've shown your incomptence to the whole of the community.


-Bishop

Originally posted by Lt. Firmalo
Sometimes people's egos just get too big. Mike there could have been a less hostile way of saying the things that you said. If Brutalization wants to release his work to the community then let him. Its the people's choice whether they want it or not. :)
I just wanted to get the point across and didn't worry about his feelings, but sometimes you have to tell it like it is. The worst that could happen to people who start releasing things before they are ready is that they take something from someone else's work without giving credit, and in this case that's exactly what happened. There's no room on these forums for work stealers.

Work stealers? Isn't that a little too far? Sheesh. Guys why do you have to fight over small things like this? You could've said..agh I don't want to get involved in this anymore so I'm not saying anything else.

Yes, work stealers. Even something as small as a bullet takes time, usually more than than a much larger piece of the mesh. The same goes for springs and screws. You have to be semi-talented to make these look right. Obviously, Brutal is either too lazy or doesn't have the skill to make these objects in photoshop yet.

I've finished wiyth this forum...i'm not too happy about some of the stuff that has been said but i told you what i used and it was very little. that was my second attempt at doing metal ohk and it was from scratch...i think it was a bloody good effort by me....you dont have to like my work but u should at least show some lil ounce of respect! skins arent a five minute job it takes time so next time you all want to criticise me for trying then u can shove ya bullets down yer throat.

To all you who supported me in this i thank you all a lot i appreciate it

:-\

Shouldnt just leave because of this....

I think this is out of hand.

Using a persons skin as a reference to skin OVER with your own skin shouldn't be a problem. I don't know why everyone's in such a hissy fit over this. Brut said he'd add you to the credits. What more can you ask him to do?

If he was getting money for this skin, I could see why everyone's complaining. But he's not, so I don't get it.

Not much can be done, whether he "stole" your stuff or not, but judging by Brutal's track record, he's an upstanding guy that wouldn't claim someone else's work as his own.

So I think this thread needs closed, because it's getting out of hand with personal attacks on people, which shouldn't be happening.

This is a community that should support and help each other out, not drag themselves in the gutter and make low attacks on each other.

Settle your differences and call it a night.

Originally posted by BruTaLiz@tioN
you dont have to like my work but u should at least show some lil ounce of respect!

I gave you the respect you deserved, nothing less, nothing more.

well maybe we should do the same to u and give u none.

Originally posted by R3aveR
well maybe we should do the same to u and give u none.

I never plaguerised, so go ahead, do whatever the **** you want.

I agree with Dillinger, just let it go and lets this thread die or get closed.

niether has brutal and Maybe u should have some STFU.

Are you honestly still denying that he didn't take pieces from Blackheart's skin after he admited to doing so?
"Maybe u should have some STFU" Seriously, is this what you're going to resort to?

Originally posted by Mike[1stid]
Are you honestly still denying that he didn't take pieces from Blackheart's skin after he admited to doing so?
"Maybe u should have some STFU" Seriously, is this what you're going to resort to?

Don't even reply to him, a mod will come along and see his immaturity. R3aveR, grow up, you are acting like you are 11 years old.

-Bishop

Originally posted by Mike[1stid]
Are you honestly still denying that he didn't take pieces from Blackheart's skin after he admited to doing so?
"Maybe u should have some STFU" Seriously, is this what you're going to resort to?

I know I said I would shut up but I just have to say this. Brutalization also made a mistake by not admitting at first that he did use some of Blackheart's parts. In the 1st place if Blackheart wanted credit he could've simply said: Hey aren't the bullet, screw and A mine? Could you please put me in the credits thanks ( or even without thanks) I don't why both of you had to make such a big deal out of this.

-------FINAL THOUGHTS-------

Who cares, sorry for being a dick but liek is said to mike i fully believe/believed brutal doesnt steal ppl's work and that his work is totally original. but im jsut going to kill it now so no more **** hits the fan.

ohk well like i said, im over it...this thread is causing too much un-settlement between good people so i will close this thread as from now.

Moderater could u plz close this

I think you can just delete it. :)

Liek OMG thats MI BLACK I uze 4 mI skin textures, j00 h4x0r n00b... THIEF! STEALER d00d!!!1!

There, laugh it up, its all sorted, and we are all happy people now... :rolleyes:

:( a fight for nothing

aye close it i shoulda done this **** in PM. sorry Brut i didn't mean to cause this in yer thread. btw since your the creator of the thread just delete it.

also this was done as a lesson learned not to get credit. I got zapped way back for the same thing and now if anything isn't mine its in the credits regardless of how much isn't mine. people care and if even the smallest part of something of the whole that they worked on is taken and claimed by another it diminishes their hard work.

again I should have though this through and done a PM.

square Brut? i don't need an active member leaving because of an old fart.

pussies.

Personally, i see little to no similarity in brutal's skin and the other guy. Also, i think brutals skin is alot better (mabye a little too light) but the detail with scratches looks alot better so why dont u stop being little *****es and accept that the skin is his own work.

glad you could add your 2 cents after the fact. either get on the ball or **** off.

I went away for a few days, but I find it so funny that a majority of the "problem" happned between 2 differnt people. Brutal and Blackheart were just lleft, and Reaver and the other guy went at it for no reason.

I find it hilarious that people are still dumb enough to go, "Who cares? IT LOOKS GREAT!" or, "If you're so petty you have to get credits for that small thing then you suck." People who say that deserve to be beaten violently.

Also, stop telling people to not give their criticism and give the excuse, "You can't do better so shut up." If you're not willing to say, "You can't do better so shut up." To people who say, "GOOD JOB!" Then you're being completely hypocritical.

What I find funny is even after they apologized to eachother you guys keep going on and on about it. Its over, leave it alone!

what i think is that all u people who are coming in here telling us what we should do, should piss off and keep out of it. Its been like 3 days since anyone has said anything so you are the guys going on with it. So dont give us ****. Take some of your own medicine and leave it alone.

So much controversy......

ALright alright we can all agree the models look alike wether its stolen we dont know and we shouldnt start getting the lynch mobs ready ive used both skins they look similar but then again EVERY garand with a bayonet looks the same as the base k98 we could say those were ripped off I say end the beeeetching agree the models look alike and download the one youd like to use otherwise SHADDUP ABOUT IT :)

Do you realize you're posting about something after the incident?

*****NEWS FLASH*****

THREAD ENDED 4 WEEKS AGO, SO SHUT UP ABOUT IT.

im gonna get a moderator to close this thread, you people dont know when to quit, not even you reaver...

Originally posted by R3aveR
*****NEWS FLASH*****

THREAD ENDED 4 WEEKS AGO, SO SHUT UP ABOUT IT.

Lmao and you DO notice that you posted 2 days AFTER the last post... :rolleyes:

Anyway, Its a good skin but its not my style... Im not going to comment on the rest of the thread.