Some reskins/recolours I've done:

http://frixion.net/sigs/luftwaffeflaktunic.jpg

http://frixion.net/sigs/luftwaffecamoshirt.jpg

http://frixion.net/sigs/45thcamo.jpg

http://frixion.net/sigs/45threg.jpg

http://frixion.net/sigs/handscharfinalparka.jpg

http://frixion.net/sigs/handscharpeadot.jpg

DL: Revamp of Trigger's Handschar (http://homepage.ntlworld.com/gerald.marley/DoD/13thSSHandscharIXReskin.zip)

DL: 45th ID thunderbird (http://homepage.ntlworld.com/gerald.marley/DoD/45thID_IX.zip)

DL: Luftwaffe grunts (http://homepage.ntlworld.com/gerald.marley/DoD/LuftwaffeFlakInfantryIX.zip)

Credits in the readme's.

PS: Mirrors are appreciated.

all i can say is.....................................thanks! :D

looks good

L0000000000ve the MG w/ gas mask! gj

Coolness, especially the peadot one.

Those are all really well done. Did you do those camo textures yourself? If so, how'd you go about making the base camouflage textures?

w0w AWESOME releases!

Thoes are good. I really disslike the thunderbird division tho. They commited some horrible things during WWII.

... says the guy with a huge Hitlerjugend sig. D:

Very nice indeed, I cant keep up with changing my model every 30 SECONDS, stop the maddness of lovely mod jobs. No, dont actually...

d3fmabye wrote
... says the guy with a huge Hitlerjugend sig. D:
lol, I hate that clan [TFS].... oh, no wait... :rolleyes: (if only those eyes looked down)

-=GENO=- I agree with you BTW. Had to cover all my bases so I dont get flamed, you know what people can be like...

This said, I do agree that the 45th shouldn't be admired, and bear no respect for it. heh

awesome job Inny, but im still gonna use SS version4

You can't condemn the entire division for the actions of a small minority. Attrocites were committed by all sides of the war, some worse than others, but all terrible. The point is there were good people that wore the uniform as well.

Humans kill people, and they have in the past, so that means all humans are bad, right?

Originally posted by Sclass12
Humans kill people, and they have in the past, so that means all humans are bad, right?

yes.


and nice job innox, really nice reskins and recolors :)

can someone tell me some of the bad things they did?

They shot POWs like there was no tommorow.

Originally posted by Sclass12
Humans kill people, and they have in the past, so that means all humans are bad, right?
100% correct :D

Hey those are really good. :) Can anybody link an article of what those guys did?

And you guys think germans didn´t shoot POW´s? What about those concentration camps? How many innocent ppl were killed in those? Those which 45th men shot, was SS troops. They where guarding camp Dachau. I can bet, that those SS soldiers had killed 15-30 innocent ppl each on their time in Dachau.

I know it´s wrong to shoot surrendering soldiers, but I´ve heard so many horrible things of what SS did in WWII that I can´t hate 45th for shooting them. I think executing 50-70 german troops, is a low price for setting free 32,000 innocent ppl from camp Dachau.

Remember what 45th did in Anzio? Landed at the beach, fought five months against seven german divisions, defeated them and pushed to Rome.

*Looks at the topic* :eek:

Nice skins! I´ll D/L them and see if I use them. Thx!

Nice, i like em ;)

Originally posted by |Dowly|
And you guys think germans didn´t shoot POW´s? What about those concentration camps? How many innocent ppl were killed in those? Those which 45th men shot, was SS troops. They where guarding camp Dachau. I can bet, that those SS soldiers had killed 15-30 innocent ppl each on their time in Dachau.

Wrong. The SS weren't in charge of the concentration camp, they'd been sent there to surrender it to the first American unit they'd meet.

Whitlock quotes Lt. Walsh as follows:

There's a big gate, and this German guy comes out of there. He must have been about six-four or six-five, and he's got beautiful blond hair. He's a handsome-looking ******* and he's got more Goddam Red Cross shields on and white flags....My first reaction is, "You son of a *****, where in the hell were you five minutes ago before we got here, taking care of all these people? ....Well, everybody was very upset. Every guy in that company, including myself, was very upset over this thing, and then seeing this big, handsome, son of a ***** coming out with all this Red Cross **** on him.

What Lt. Walsh and the men of I company did not know was that the SS training camp was completely separate from the concentration camp. The Waffen-SS soldiers who were surrendering to them in good faith had nothing whatsoever to do with the Death Train which had arrived two days before from Buchenwald after a three-week journey with many detours, bringing prisoners to the concentration camp. In his book, "Surrender of the Dachau Concentration Camp 29 April 1945," Col. John H. Linden wrote that the night before, on April 28th, "A combat unit of the Waffen-SS was sent to the Dachau Concentration Camp to surrender the camp to the first U.S. Army unit to reach the camp." The regular camp guards, who were SS-Totenkopf soldiers also quartered in the SS camp, had fled on the 28th, along with the Commandant of the concentration camp, Martin Gottfried Weiss.

Whitlock wrote that one of the men of I company shot the handsome SS soldier because he tried to make a break to escape, after he had surrendered, according to Lt. Walsh. Then four more Waffen-SS soldiers emerged with their hands up and surrendered to the men of I company. Remembering the words of Patton who warmed about dirty tricks, and knowing the evil reputation of the SS men, Lt. Walsh herded the SS soldiers into an empty railroad boxcar inside the camp and "emptied his pistol" into them, according to Whitlock.

http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/DachauPhotos/OldPhotos/SoldiersExecuted.jpg

Lt. Walsh and his men continued through the SS training camp, rounding up the soldiers who had surrendered and separating the Waffen-SS soldiers from the Wehrmacht soldiers, who were in the regular German army. The SS soldiers were lined up against a wall that formed part of a coal bin, as shown in the photograph above. Lt. Walsh called for a machine gun to be set up facing the prisoners, and ordered his I company soldiers to shoot the Germans if they didn't stay back. When the SS soldiers saw the machine gun cocked and ready to fire, they panicked and started toward the American soldiers, according to John Lee of I company, as quoted by Whitlock.

When Sparks heard the gunfire, he rushed over and stopped Private William C. Curtin from firing the machine gun, then fired several shots into the air with his pistol. Seventeen SS soldiers were killed, and many others were wounded. The medic who was present, Peter Galary, told Whitlock that he "refused to patch up the Germans we shot."

http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/DachauPhotos/OldPhotos/DachauMassacre.jpg

The bodies of the SS soldiers were left in the coal yard for several days while the incident was investigated by Lt. Col. Joseph Whitaker, the Seventh Army's Assistant Inspector General. A report on the "Investigation of Alleged Mistreatment of German Guards at Dachau" was finished on June 8, 1945. It was marked secret, but the contents were later revealed to the public. A copy of the report is included in Col. John H. Linden's book "The Surrender of Dachau 29 April 1945." The paragraphs below, from the Secret Report, pertain to the Execution of German soldiers by members of the 45th Division.

4. At the entrance to the back area of the Dachau prison grounds, four German soldiers surrendered to Lt. William P. Walsh, 0-414901, in command of Company "I", 157th Infantry. These prisoners Lt. Walsh ordered into a box car, where he personally shot them. Pvt. Albert C. Pruitt, 34573708, Company "I"157th Infantry, then climbed into the box car where these Germans were on the floor moaning and apparently still alive, and finished them off with his rifle.

5. After entry into the Dachau Camp area, Lt. Walsh segregated from surrendered prisoners of war those who were identified as SS Troops.

6. Such segregated prisoners of war were marched into a separate enclosure, lined up against the wall and shot down by American troops, who were acting under the orders of Lt. Walsh. A light machine gun, carbines, and either a pistol or a sub-machine gun were used. Seventeen of such prisoners of war were killed, and others were wounded.

7. Lt. Jack Busheyhead, 0-1284822, executive officer of Company "I", participated with Lt. Walsh in this handling of the men and during the course of the shooting personally fired his weapon at these prisoners.

16. Lt. Walsh testified that the SS men were segregated in order to properly guard them, and were then fired upon because they started moving toward the guards. However, the dead bodies were located along the wall against which they had been lined up, they were killed along the entire line, although Lt. Walsh only claims those on one flank moved, and a number of witnesses testified that it was generally "understood" that these prisoners were to be shot when they were being segregated. These facts contradict the defensive explanation given by Lt. Walsh.

SOURCE: http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/Contents.html

first of all.. im jewish, i live in israel and my grandmother and grandfather got lucky enough and they ran away from the nazis.. but thier family... murdered in some very evil ways and unhuman ways...hell, some big "parts" of my grandfather's family just vanished in the holocst in all those camps.

i dont care if 10 ss dies...or 10000000 of them dies...
they are unhuman if they kill some one becuase they are different in thier color, or genes or what ever...

mabye im 16 years old but after hearing all the terrifying stories and all the history movies that i saw...

i cant and wouldnt let them live...
mabye i will give them a trial but if i would have the power i will excute every one of them, but not with gas.. i will do it fast and clean with 1 shot to the head, after all im human...
i wont cut the breasts of the women so they wont feed the babys...
and i wont shot little chilldern that did ****ing nothing...

i think what the 45th did is a good thing
after what they saw in the camps... no one will let those (SS) beast to get out alive
mabye you think what im saying is kinda cruel..
but YOUR family didnt die in some evilish and unhuman ways
and many people i know that thier family are holocost survivors
so we kinda hate every Nazi that is still alive...

to bad the allies knew about the camps before D-day but they did nothing to destroy them because they wanted to "save" ammo....

and hey you SS dogs, all the "juden" that you wanted to kill are alive and kicking in many countries and in israel... my country...and we will stay in there forever !
and now i dont recommand to mess with us ^_^

anyone who executed SS i consider my good friend
because i would do the same thing

oh lets not steal this dudes thread:o

I really dont think this should be dicussed here. No one is saying that what the SS did in the war was good. People know what nazis did, but that doesnt change the fact that some americans did some nasty things also, thats war, those things happens, and if one side does bad things doesnt escuse the other side of doing nasty things that's why there's a things called geneva convention and rules of engagement.

I Think its stupid to dicuss issues like this in here. Especially giving personal opinions saying I hate americans and I hate germans. If you like it download it, if you dont like it dont download it. It seems like a pretty good job, and even if they were the meanest mother****ers on earth I would still use them. Its just a game.

Disclaimer: Im not a nazi. Go america! Im just a historian interested in both sides of the war. I removed the sig because I realised it my be inapropriate. Sorry, didnt want to give the wrong impression.

Originally posted by AirZone
but not with gas.. i will do it fast and clean with 1 shot to the head, after all im human...

The Eintzagruppen executed the majority of Bolchevic and Jewish civilians with a bullet to the back of the neck, which kills in a matter of seconds - not with gaz chambers as many seem to believe. I don't think that made them any nicer. Speaking of which, there's a nice book about the subject intitled "Eintzagruppen"(heh) that tells of policies, the different groups(from A to D, if my memory serves), their policies, and the different punishments that were inflicted to their leaders by the Allied court.

i wont cut the breasts of the women so they wont feed the babys...
and i wont shot little chilldern that did ****ing nothing...

We're talking about the Waffen-SS here, which weren't charged with dealing with civilians. The main charge against this organisation was indeed the killing of POWs, not civilians. Perhaps death squads such as the Totenkopft(sp) units(not refering to the 3rd SS division that bears the same name) would indeed commit such things, but it is highly improbable that a fighting unit would find any purpose to it. Do you have an account or reference to back that statement?

i think what the 45th did is a good thing
after what they saw in the camps... no one will let those (SS) beast to get out alive

Hah! Here's blood! Let's wash it away with more BLOOD! POUR BLOOD! ALWAYS MORE BLOOD! *cough*

Airzone, I know the SS did terrible things to the Jews but maybe you should read the article first before posting.:) The SS soldiers the 45th executed were not associated with the killings. They were sent to simply surrender the camp and they were shot.

first of all i dont hate germans or americans..
i hate SS or Waffen-SS out there becuase they are racist and unhuman.

and i play with the warmacht models (sorry for my bad english)
and you know what i dont hate the warmacht becuase they were simply a soliders of germany...and tried to protect thier "mother land" (wich i can understand) but i do hate hitler's personal army (the ss) BUT i dont mind playing historicly accurate models and Waffen-SS models if they look good (like devin's)..after all its just a game =)

anyway i did read the article (very intersting)
but like i said - i dont care if they didnt kill those civilan..they are still nazis and they are still SS. but mabye i would given them a trial and not exctuing them that fast...but i believe the 45th did it because they saw the horror in the camps....

mabye its hard to understand my point of view but again...
my family (mabye not close but still) and a large part of it just murdered by the nazis. so its a personal thing.. like with the USA and al-quida.

and about the killing - the nazi shot jews but stopped it because it was a waste of ammo (in the later stage of the war) and tried to find a better ways to kill the jews (and they did :()

anyway i wont steal the theard =]
good skins

and yeah i d/l the 45th...ss killers }=>

The 45th were more evil then the germans they killed. Because like said before the germans were trying to surrender and they had nothing to do with the killing of the jews at that camp. Shame on the 45th and shame on the evil things the SS did too.

Originally posted by punkman oi
hate nazis?
guess im off teh christmas card list eh?
hahaha

the SS were killing innocent human beings, the 45th were killing murdering SS
there is no comparison

OK BYE
(c) Danza

I agree 110% that SS should have been held accountable for there actions but that was a cheap move by the 45th. The SS they MURDERED wernt even armed. Im ashamed that 45th are american, two wrongs dont make a right.

*EDIT* lol, this should be moved to the history section

Originally posted by gabagoo
the SS were killing innocent human beings, the 45th were killing murdering SS
there is no comparison

OK BYE
(c) Danza

Yeah. The Waffen-SS are EVUL for killing POWs, but the AMAYREHCUNS can do it, because they are TEH GEWD!11

F'course. Sure. Yeah. Whatever.

Originally posted by d3fmaybe
Yeah. The Waffen-SS are EVUL for killing POWs,
what about all the Jews, gypsies, cripples, etc ???

and its spelled AMAYRECUNS rather then AMAYREHCUNS:rolleyes:
you see theres a common misconception that theres a silent H in there but this isnt correct:D

Can this stupid conversation end? Belive what you want, this is MSA, not historical discussion, go to the history forum for this crap. There is a reason I stay in the MSA forums, we try to avoid country bashing and stupid moral debates where nobody is right. You can say 'its war' or 'if you kill someone your bad no matter what" or whatever your half-cocked opinion is. But we don't want to hear it so cut it short. Thanks.

GETTING BACK TO THE TOPIC:::::

Damn good models, its nice to see allied models not wearing khakis and a green jacket. I want to know why there is no custom allied MODELS, people do custom axis models but only reskin allied models. Whassup wit dat!?

Originally posted by gabagoo
what about all the Jews, gypsies, cripples, etc ???

Wtf. That's the SS, not the WAFFEN-SS. gg.

the waffen ss were involved in the holocaust
the concentration-camp Majdanek was commanded by the Waffen-SS, although it was a pow-camp at first and transformated later it always was commanded by the waffen-ss
(i was there for 2 weeks in may, so trust me)

d3fmaybe, sorry my mistake. I though those SS troops were from the camp.... You said SS weren´t in charce of Dachau? Well, there was atleast one SS officer as executive of the camp. (sry, my english)

http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DettorePhotos/GermanCorpse.jpg

"This is the pile of dead prisoners awaiting to be burned in the crematorium. There were rooms filled like this. They died in the gas chamber. The fully clothed one on top was killed by the prisoners. He was an executive in the camp."

That text was written behind the photo.

Ok, I´ll stop here. It makes me sad even to talk about this subject....

yeah its sad....but im a living proof that the nazi failed (and big time).

anyway yeah kick ass allied model, 2 bad everyone reskins or remodel the axis models..

need more high quaility allied models
:o

End. Of. Discussion.

Yes. now any modelers (besides Ska....becuase I'm DYING waiting for his new models) want to do some americans?

Did I just press the history forum button by mistake? lol

Originally posted by Skullz_Vandal
Yes. now any modelers (besides Ska....becuase I'm DYING waiting for his new models) want to do some americans?

Well I'm still looking for a regement to model my pack after, but I guess the 45th is out lol

Nice work with the reskins mate, keep up the good work.

This thread is way off-topic. Any more and it will prolly be closed.

Plus, I did a minor re-skin so the pants don't look disco colors:

can't wait to get home and download these. :D

Wasn't there the Malmedy massacre that happend during the Ardennes Offensive?

Also, nice SS skins!

There were no doubt American POWs shot be the Waffen-SS during World War 2... however that has strickly nothing to do with the discussion we were having here... which in turn had strickly nothing to do with the purpose of this thread.

Of anyone would like to further discuss this matter, PM me.

6 million doesnt sound like failing airzone